AW: [sdiy] sync sound (Jupiter 8) & Spliff

[Czech Martin]

I,ll try to put an audio sample on my site ASAP.
I've problems with ftp.

m.c.

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Happy Harry [mailto:paia2720 at hotmail.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2001 17:26
> An: chris at scp.de; synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> Betreff: Re: [sdiy] sync sound (Jupiter 8) & Spliff
> 
> 
> Howdy all...
> 
> I have never heard this song (or band) but the description
> of the sound is similar to a factory preset on my E-Mu
> Proteus MPS (basically a sampler...) that did work via
> a crossfade. Of course equal frequencies in a digital synth
> do not beat.
> 
> It sounds exactly like a guitar with heavy distortion breaking
> into octave feedback after the initial attack is over...
> 
> H^) hary
> 
> 
> >From: ChristianH <chris at scp.de>
> >To: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> >Subject: Re: [sdiy] sync sound (Jupiter 8)  & Spliff
> >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:01:44 +0200
> >
> >Hi Martin,
> >
> >I didn't have that particular song in my ear, so I listend 
> to the 85555
> >album last night.
> >Let me answer with a definite and sincere 'I don't know'. I 
> played that
> >song several times, but it leaves me clueless. At times I wasn't even
> >sure if it's a synth at all, that effect reminds me of 
> 'pinched harmonics'
> >playing style on the guitar (slightly touching the oscillating string
> >e.g. an octave above the fretted note, so the fundamental is damped).
> >But then, there is definitely something syncing as well, and 
> I think I
> >hear Reinhold's CS 80 as well. I'm not sure if guitar 
> synthesizers would
> >be able to follow pinched harmonics, without producing 
> glitches from the
> >frequency detection.
> >
> >I considered simple cross fading as well, but probably there 
> would be a
> >certain amount of beating, this sounds more as if both pitches are
> >coming from the same oscillating source. If the album hadn't been
> >released a year too early, this could be done with a DX7 - no problem
> >for identical frequencies here.
> >
> >I played a bit with the Jupiter, and with a traditional sync sweep
> >there's a kind of audible rise (there's something similar in 
> 'Damals' as
> >well, but I think you're after those long sustained sounds), remotely
> >similar to portamento. I never _consciously_ listend to sync sounds
> >before, and last night I noticed a distict appearance of each single
> >harmonic during the sweep, similar to a hi res filter. At 
> least on the
> >JP-8, I didn't compare with other synths.
> >
> >Although I don't think this relates to that song, I found 
> another way of
> >fading in an octave. Set the LPF to high resonance, 
> frequency just below
> >the octave harmonic. Then, using the pitch bender (env isn't 
> slow enough
> >on the JP-8), rise the cutoff to exactly the harmonic, which 
> is strongly
> >emphasized.
> >
> >I'm not that familiar with the CS 80, but since Reinhold has 
> used it for
> >years, I wouldn't be surprised if it's involved in that sound. Maybe
> >some skillful playing, something like zero verlocity and 
> then applying
> >poly aftertouch on a high note.
> >
> >regards & sorry for all the non german list members who have no idea
> >what we're talking about... :-)
> >Christian
> >
> >P.S.: Some time ago I was thinking if and how those guitar pinched
> >harmonics could be done on a synth.
> >This probably can't be done well simply with filtering, 
> since it touches
> >the oscillating process as well. I think it would require 
> access to the
> >basic oscillation feedback loop. Either a self-oscillating 
> filter (maybe
> >beefed up with nonlinear feedback to produce more than just 
> a sine, here
> >we go again), or even manipulating the reset loop in a VCO 
> core (aftertouch
> >controlled narrow notch filter before generating a pulse for 
> resetting
> >the saw?). After all, a standard VCO circuit is synced from its own
> >signal, why not insert some processing there.
> >Did anybody do some research in this area?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:41:49 +0200 Czech Martin wrote:
> >
> > > In the 80s there was a band called "Spliff" in Germany, 
> maybe also known
> > > in Austria. (they first came up as "Nina Hagen Band", then
> > > "Spliff Radio Show"). They only had two hits "Carbonara", 
> "Das Blech"
> > > which went to gold. They were too much ahead of their 
> time, that's why.
> > >
> > > They had strange lyrics but (my opinion) excelent keyboard
> > > sound (Reinhold Heil), well, the other instruments were also very
> > > good recorded/engineered. Brilliant productions.
> > >
> > > Anyway, the track "Damals" has a very interesting
> > > sync sound (that is: I think that it must be sync).
> > > I can only describe it as octave flipping, the tone starts
> > > lower and then turns into the octave above, and maybe even higher.
> > > Such effects may be also obtained via electro acoustic feedback
> > > with a guitar/amplifier.
> > >
> > > I think it was made with a Jupiter 8.
> > > I've been never able to synthesize this sound since it is 
> very hard to
> > > analyse for me, so I can not guess into the right direction.
> > >
> > > Perhaps there are some "sync" experienced people on this list,
> > > that could give me a hint. I realize that most people on the list
> > > don't know what I'm talking about.
> > >
> > > http://grodecki.com/SPLIFF/spliff.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > m.c.
> >
> 
> 
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