[sdiy] Doepfer (was: First synth to build? PC power supplyunit)

[TooManySynths]

Well, I can't stand being out of the drama loop, so,
at the risk of annoying someone, what is the big deal
with Doepfer products?

My perception of Dopfer is that they came into play to
fill a market niche of providing low cost modular
synths.  Their stuff is cheaply made in comparison to
others, and, it seems, many of the designs are either
very simmilar, or blatent copies of stuff floating
around on the net.  

When doepfer started, there wasn't any competition,
not seriously anyway. Serge was too expensive and
almost everyone else was just vaporware.  They deliver
a product, albeit, a cheap one, to fill a market
niche.  Only recently has competition arisen in the
states at their price level.

I'm not defending doepfer, frankly, I don't know much
about them, but I don't understand the animosity.  I
also don't have much interest in their products, but
not because of any drama, but because their products
are mostly uninspired.  I bought, for instance, a
regelwerk used.  I use it, but it doesn't excite me
all that much.  The cv outputs are poorly buffered and
it doesn't stay synched moving from pattern to
pattern. It offers no groove features and mostly seems
like a fader box with a cheap sloshy sequencer thrown
in. In fact, I have considered disasembling the
software as it is 8031, figuring out the hardware, and
writing my own sequencer for it.  I don't care much
about the fader box. 

Is there more to it than their limited originality and
quasi-commodity approach to selling synths?

Just curious
Daryl
 

--- Scott Gravenhorst <music.maker at gte.net> wrote:
> It seems that this tactic of resisting help for
> those
> who are trapped with D gear is an attempt to hurt D,
> when in fact the only way to hurt D is to adversely
> effect his ability to sell.  Helping some poor slob
> who ALREADY has a D module doesn't help D in any
> truly 
> meaningful way.  (what? he wouldn't have to help 
> someone he wouldn't have helped anyway?)...
> 
> I read the information posted on web about D and his
> activities.  I don't like his way of doing business.
> I would never buy any D gear, new, used or whatever.
> That said, what about new members?  How will they
> know:
> 
> 1) who to contact?
> 2) that it ought to be off-list?
> 
> I ask again: what of the poor guy that already owns
> D
> gear and THEN joins this list?  He _will_ ask these
> questions, ONLIST and apparently this round of
> D-bashing 
> will recur again and again.
> 
> harry <harrybissell at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >I think DD assistance should be offered
> "offlist"...
> >
> >The designers of some DIY modules support questions
> >about those designs "onlist". They are members of
> this
> >forum and contribute.
> >
> >Those who do NOT contribute should support their
> own
> >designs.  If those designs DID NOT ORIGINATE on
> this
> >list(in the first place) how would WE know how to
> help anyway ???
> ><subtle dig mode off>
> >
> >Let DD start his own web based support.  I notice
> that
> >among our own DIYers, those with commercial
> interests
> >have their OWN web pages and lists dedicated to
> tech
> >support. Let him do the same. Why should we help
> him,
> >since he has never helped us... even to acknowlege
> our existance ???
> >So answer the questions offline, and tell the
> person why there
> >is so much controversy about this subject as
> well...
> 
> >H^) harry
> >
> >Dave Magnuson wrote:
> >
> >> At 07:43 AM 9/22/01, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >I know of no better place to ask these questions
> than
> >> >right here.  Being resistant to helping those D
> owners
> >> >doesn't punish or hurt D in *any* way.  It does,
> however,
> >> >hurt those who own them and would like to use
> them.
> >>
> >> I agree.
> >>
> >> I *personally* won't buy DD's stuff... but I
> don't think the list should
> >> refuse to answer reasonable questions about DD's
> products for people who
> >> are trying to repair or modify them.
> >>
> >> I personally think any DD flaming should be done
> *off list*.  If you want
> >> to voice your opinion about his morals, please
> send them off list to
> >> whomever asked about them.
> >>
> >> That being said:  DD's products need +/-12V and
> +5V
> >>
> >> Dave Magnuson
> >>
> >> Resonant Frequency:
> >> resfreq at hoohahrecords.com
> >> http://www.hoohahrecords.com/resfreq/index.html
> >
> >
> 
>
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