[sdiy] Don't hit anybody where it hurts....

[Ethan Duni]

_Yeah, after having sat through this exact discussion on the music-dsp list
about 250 times, my advice is that the most effective solution is the following:

-If you don't like NN, kill-filter her and *certainly* don't respond to her
posts on the list. I've had to endure like 30 NN_related messages and 0
actual NN messages today. And i don't want to kill-filter EVERYONE on the
list to avoid it. This seems to be how music-dsp operates now and it's been
pretty quiet over there for a while now. Those who suggested that NN posts
looking to provoke and ellicit a response are correct; so why give her the
shit-storm of list postings she's looking for? If everyone ignores her,
she'll very quickly tire of this list and disappear, excepting perhaps the
occasional new-product announcement.. 

-unsubscribing her, ethical issues aside, will not work; she changes email
addresses quite frequently, and antagonizing her will just get her to want
to post more to rile you guys up. 

-If you do like NN, approach her and ask questions about whatever interests
you. Though she likes to speak in riddles, she's actually quite amicable
towards people that don't immediately demand her being banned the moment she
makes a post.

-Apologies for adding to this (already irksome) thread.

Ethan

At 12:05 PM 3/11/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>As a member of the MAX/MSP list, NN's post are familiar to me. Now on that
>list the situation was a little different. NN creates a product called
>nato.0+55 witch is a very powerful video performance package that runs on
>the Mac (and maybe others). She was eventually banned from the list there
>because her post became very negative and *very* plentiful. They also were
>aimed at Cycling74 the current holders of the Max program. Her main site at
>the time was www.m9ndfukc.org.
> Anyway, my feelings are that no action should be taken against her based on
>the way she acted on other list. If she starts posting on this one in the
>same manner, she will be thought of in the same light. There probably isn't
>much going on in this list that she would find that interesting anyway. The
>main draw was the talk about video synthesizers, which we have moved on by.
>On the max list there was much for her to comment on. The real problem I had
>with her post were never the ideas she posted (alternate perspectives are
>always enlightning to me) but in the format of her post (and most of her
>site as well). The wild puntuations and character substitutions are all on
>purpose. It is not a foreign character map going on there. In fact a gent on
>the Max list wrote a crude "translator" that worked pretty well! I would
>love to really hear what she had to say, but reading it was such a pain that
>I gave up trying. A real case where the process obscured the product.
>-James
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