[sdiy] Re: diodes/LDR

[dan g+]

hey guys.
cool.  sorry about being defensive. it's so hard to tell on the interhoopla.
glad we cleared that up.

anyway.. yea i didn't realize the ask bob suggestion was serious.  That's
good to know that he's willing to help in that way.

As far as reverse engineering it.  I definitely would do that if i had
enough of a clue what i was doing, but alas, sadly i've just started getting
into this hobby.  This is why i like the idea of schematics to build my
ideas off of.

Well actually, the moogerfooger obsession is a friend of mines'.  I told him
it'd be funner to find something similar or at least with the same low-pass
type of stuff happening and amend it to our creative liking, which we also
will do i'm sure, but he was really stuck on finding MF schems.

That's why i asked knowing it'd be a longshot, since it seemed more than
clear that people were just "not telling" when it came to that one pedal. OH
well.

oh, do you have any good references for something similiar to that machine?
i presume it's just a couple oscillators in a low-pass manor.  So far my
current experiments have yeilded interesting filtered-distortions and
theremin on stereoid-esque circuits.

I was thinking today, one thing i'd really love to build is a footpedal that
links to the pots that alter delay speeds! i'm amazed these don't exist in
the commercial market yet! it's such a pain being a guitar player with no
ability to keep playing while you normally bend down and twist the knobs. an
AGE-OLD problem by now.

has anyone thought of this here yet?

dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo" <t.hogers at home.nl>
To: "harrybissell" <harrybissell at prodigy.net>; "dan g+"
<streamofstudio at flashmail.com>
Cc: <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [sdiy] Re: diodes/LDR


> Hi Dan,
> I didn't attempt to be "snippy" either.
> Both suggestions "reverse engineer" and "ask Bob" where serious.
> Forexample I became a Big Briar teremin schematic just by asking.
> However as Harry explained, reverse engineering is probably the only way
to
> get your hands on Moogerfooger schematics.
>
> Theo
>
>
> From: harrybissell <harrybissell at prodigy.net>
>
>
> > Hi Dan...
> >
> > I wasn't really attempting to be 'snippy'... just playful.
> > I might even reverse engineer one just for the fun of it.
> >
> > The points were (as I saw them) that the MoogerFooger is
> > a current product for Big Briar and if they wanted to
> > post schematics it would be their business.
> >
> > Most of the effect schematics on the web have been there for
> > many years, are often the result OF reverse-engineering and are
> > not scans of manufacturer's documents (unless they are long
> > out-of-business).  Even then, a scan of a schematic used without
> > permission violates copyright laws.
> >
> > The comment (not mine) to "Ask Bob" was not flippant at all. Bob
> > Moog HAS been known to offer information when asked.  He gave me
> > permission to make the PV-1 pitch to voltage converter based on his
> > design.  All he asked was that the board have the text "Based on
Etherwave
> > Pitch to Voltage converter by Bob Moog, used with permission" and that I
> > send him a unit to play with. So I did.
> >
> > I think that Bob recognised that the product would not be commercially
> viable...
> >
> > based on his knowledge of the Theremin market. He was actually doing
> everyone a
> > favor by giving permission... maybe some folks might even buy a theremin
> to go
> > with the converter...
> >
> > The MoogerFoogers are a different story... posting schematics would
> probably
> > not enhance the sale of $300 units (expensive for you and me both....).
> But I
> > think
> > the advice given (in a light-hearted way) is really valid.  Reverse
> Engineering
> > is a
> > protected practice (its NOT illegal)... and the community would benefit
> from the
> >
> > information.
> >
> > Its also possible that the information is "Trade Secret" (as opposed to
> > patented)
> > in which case there is no way that you will be given a schematic by Big
> Briar...
> >
> > as trade secret protection implies that the only way you could have
gotten
> the
> > information is by theft.
> >
> > Again, sorry if I came off as snippy. Not my intention at all....
> >
> > H^) harry
> >
> > dan g+ wrote:
> >
> > > p.s. it's impressive that you can be so snippy about the question when
> i've
> > > found just about every other stomp box schematic i'd want on the web.
> > > including moog schematics.
> > >
> > > it's not like it would actually hurt their buisness if some hobbyists
> had
> > > scanned them somewhere.
> > >
> > > maybe you don't get it, but i don't have 300 bucks, yet do have an
> > > insatiable quest for knowledge.
> > >
> > > once again, thanks.
> > >
> > > dan
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "harrybissell" <harrybissell at prodigy.net>
> > > To: "Theo" <t.hogers at home.nl>
> > > Cc: "dan g+" <streamofstudio at flashmail.com>; "Synth-DIY list"
> > > <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [sdiy] Re: diodes/LDR
> > >
> > > > 4) Buy ME the moogerfooger and I'll reverse engineer it for you.
Then
> you
> > > can
> > > > post the schematic on the web... or keep it a secret for yourself
> (I'll
> > > never
> > > > tell)
> > > >
> > > > of course I get to keep the fooger....    ;^P
> > > >
> > > > H^) harry
> > > >
> > > > Theo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 1) Get a job with Big Briar.
> > > > > 2) Ask Bob, you never know.
> > > > > 3) Buy the moogefooger you want the schematic from and reverse
> > > engenieer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Theo
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: dan g+ <streamofstudio at flashmail.com>
> > > > > To: Synth-DIY list <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:44 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [sdiy] Re: diodes/LDR
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > my name's dan. I just joined this list and have all ready
learned
> > > quite a
> > > > > > few things. A wonderful resource it is.
> > > > > > So right now i have what i imagine to be a longshot question..
but
> > > that's
> > > > > > based on google searches and the lack of success there in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have or know of a place to get MOOGERFOOGER
> schematics?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks a bunch
> > > > > > dan
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>