200e

I just updated the firmware on my 281e's and I see that there is a new  
mode, in addition to cycle, transient, and sustained. The new mode has  
all mode leds off. Does anyone know what this mode does?

- C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:57 PM, Chris Muir wrote:

> I just updated the firmware on my 281e's and I see that there is a new
> mode, in addition to cycle, transient, and sustained. The new mode has
> all mode leds off. Does anyone know what this mode does?


it's the ignore mode. when enabled the trigger inputs are ignored and  
only midi note on from the appropriate bus will start a cycle.

thanks,

-jon

"There are no differences but differences of degree between different  
degrees
of difference and no difference."
- James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882;  
Vol 7.

On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:44 AM, jon schatz wrote:

> it's the ignore mode. when enabled the trigger inputs are ignored and
> only midi note on from the appropriate bus will start a cycle.


Thanks for the quick answer. I knew it _had_ to be a real mode. :-)

- C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

There are a few of us sitting on the fence about the 222e. I love the 
rings and what it can do, but i am still worried that the touch panel 
will only lead me to using it musically, another person I know is 
worried that the rings arent what he needs and therefore the keyboard 
will only be used wasting half of his purchase.I know some people will 
say buy a Thunder, but the thing I do like about the 222e is that its 
part of the 200e system.

 From the vids i have seen there is nothing non musical about the 
touchplate, i am going by Alessandros vids and Yasi' NAMM vid, so I can 
only assume that you have to set up each touch pad as a "note"? then you 
can make other pads faders of add filter etc..

Could someone please do a quick vid to help us poor saps on the other 
parts of the world see what is possible. I so wish I could try before I buy.

Thanks
Ross

On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:57 AM, amnesia wrote:

> There are a few of us sitting on the fence about the 222e. I love the
> rings and what it can do, but i am still worried that the touch panel
> will only lead me to using it musically, another person I know is
> worried that the rings arent what he needs and therefore the keyboard
> will only be used wasting half of his purchase.I know some people will
> say buy a Thunder, but the thing I do like about the 222e is that its
> part of the 200e system.
>
> From the vids i have seen there is nothing non musical about the
> touchplate, i am going by Alessandros vids and Yasi' NAMM vid, so I  
> can
> only assume that you have to set up each touch pad as a "note"? then  
> you
> can make other pads faders of add filter etc..
>
> Could someone please do a quick vid to help us poor saps on the other
> parts of the world see what is possible. I so wish I could try  
> before I buy.

hey ross,

i can answer some of these questions but i don't currently have access  
to a video camera (i plan on getting one soon).

1) almost every touchplate can be individually set to at least one  
stored voltage in .01 volt increments. it can be musical (really easy  
with the 1.2v/oct tuning), it can be non-musical, it can just be  
binary. what the 222e gives you that the thunder won't is continuous  
voltages for all outputs (cv1/cv2/location/pressure/velocity). since  
the thunder is a midi controller everything is stepped to 127 values.

2) there's no reason you need to use the touchplates as a keyboard.  
with the location outputs you can user it as a bunch of sliders (good  
for tuning the 291e or moving sound around 2 dimensions in a 227e).  
you can put a 250e in strobe or continuous mode and tune each key to a  
sequencer step. you can trigger 281e cycles. you can use each of the  
main keys cv1/cv2 outputs as caveman presets for some other module.  
the possibilities are pretty much unlimited.

3) the rings are fun. they're hard (not theremin hard but not that  
much easier) but if you use a 250e as a quantizer it's easy to play  
melodies. it's also just fun to wave your hands in the air and control  
filter frequencies.

so if you make a bit more specific request i'd be glad to record a  
demo as soon as i can get access to a camera.

thanks,

-jon
"There are no differences but differences of degree between different  
degrees
of difference and no difference."
- James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882;  
Vol 7.

Hi Jon

I think the worry for both of us have is that we feel that half of the 
222e will not get used, I am more into the rings than the plates, but I 
want to stick with the 200e system...I just would like a cool demo to 
show my something amazing the touch plates can do other than just play a 
note per pad. If I can be shown that then I wont be worried about 
wasting my money on half a module.

Ross



jon schatz wrote:

>  
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:57 AM, amnesia wrote:
>
> > There are a few of us sitting on the fence about the 222e. I love the
> > rings and what it can do, but i am still worried that the touch panel
> > will only lead me to using it musically, another person I know is
> > worried that the rings arent what he needs and therefore the keyboard
> > will only be used wasting half of his purchase.I know some people will
> > say buy a Thunder, but the thing I do like about the 222e is that its
> > part of the 200e system.
> >
> > From the vids i have seen there is nothing non musical about the
> > touchplate, i am going by Alessandros vids and Yasi' NAMM vid, so I
> > can
> > only assume that you have to set up each touch pad as a "note"? then
> > you
> > can make other pads faders of add filter etc..
> >
> > Could someone please do a quick vid to help us poor saps on the other
> > parts of the world see what is possible. I so wish I could try
> > before I buy.
>
> hey ross,
>
> i can answer some of these questions but i don't currently have access
> to a video camera (i plan on getting one soon).
>
> 1) almost every touchplate can be individually set to at least one
> stored voltage in .01 volt increments. it can be musical (really easy
> with the 1.2v/oct tuning), it can be non-musical, it can just be
> binary. what the 222e gives you that the thunder won't is continuous
> voltages for all outputs (cv1/cv2/location/pressure/velocity). since
> the thunder is a midi controller everything is stepped to 127 values.
>
> 2) there's no reason you need to use the touchplates as a keyboard.
> with the location outputs you can user it as a bunch of sliders (good
> for tuning the 291e or moving sound around 2 dimensions in a 227e).
> you can put a 250e in strobe or continuous mode and tune each key to a
> sequencer step. you can trigger 281e cycles. you can use each of the
> main keys cv1/cv2 outputs as caveman presets for some other module.
> the possibilities are pretty much unlimited.
>
> 3) the rings are fun. they're hard (not theremin hard but not that
> much easier) but if you use a 250e as a quantizer it's easy to play
> melodies. it's also just fun to wave your hands in the air and control
> filter frequencies.
>
> so if you make a bit more specific request i'd be glad to record a
> demo as soon as i can get access to a camera.
>
> thanks,
>
> -jon
> "There are no differences but differences of degree between different
> degrees
> of difference and no difference."
> - James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882;
> Vol 7.
>
>

On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:29 PM, amnesia wrote:
> I think the worry for both of us have is that we feel that half of the
> 222e will not get used, I am more into the rings than the plates,  
> but I
> want to stick with the 200e system...I just would like a cool demo to
> show my something amazing the touch plates can do other than just  
> play a
> note per pad. If I can be shown that then I wont be worried about
> wasting my money on half a module.=

hey ross,

i don't think i can convince you what's right for you. if you just  
want rings you should consider a lightning instead. it's a self- 
contained instrument so it doesn't meet your 200e-only criterion but  
it's really fun to play with and has many possibilities if you have a  
225e.

thanks,

-jon


"There are no differences but differences of degree between different  
degrees
of difference and no difference."
- James, William. "Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide." Mind. 1882;  
Vol 7.

some NAMM I set up a 222e as a banjo or autoharp or something: small buttons select 4 note chords, 4 sliders play individual notes of chord, their locations controlling brightness or something.. several visitors shot video of this demo, and I thought one or two wrote me saying they'd posted it somewhere. I never followed up on it, but..

anyways, perhaps knowing it's easy to do might help you see some of the possibilities. I liked it as a demo patch because it's quick to throw up (4 minutes maybe; most of the time being spent tuning the chords) and shows a somewhat novel setup.

I asked my dad once: if you buy me a camera, and I use it to take pictures of you-- real pictures, that you can look at, or even have, who got a good deal?

Yasi