200e

Hello All --

RSA wrote in the "newbie mix" thread:

"Yes more Buchla sounds for us poor individuals who will never see
their dream machine."

So. . . I've put up a couple of sounds.  I realize how daunting this
was once I started.  The 200e is so very deep that any little sample
seems frivolous, naive . . . I've put up a little Krell Bass patch
and, if anyone is interested, I can email them a hi-res photo of the
patch (259e,  291e and 292e).   There is also a brief sound sample of
just me tweaking with a simple sine wave in the 259e -- no filters --
it is amazing the harmonic shifting and filtering that can be done
with just that one module.  Note that I'm only using the most simple
waveform -- the module has myriad waveforms!

RSA and others let me know if this is useful.  Also, I suspect there
are others on this list that could contribute even more impressive
samples than my rough beginnings. Maybe this is a start.

all best wishes, Todd
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/buchla200eStuff/FileSharing14.html

Todd,

thanks for the new sounds. I'd like the patch photo, if its not too much trouble. 

do you own any 261e's? if so, any opinions?

from the reviews I have read, I would probably start with one of those instead of the 259e.

cheers,
RSA 

----- Original Message ----
From: vgermuse <vgermuse@yahoo.com>
To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:45:13 AM
Subject: [200e] buchla sounds

Hello All --

RSA wrote in the "newbie mix" thread:

"Yes more Buchla sounds for us poor individuals who will never see
their dream machine."

So. . . I've put up a couple of sounds.  I realize how daunting this
was once I started.  The 200e is so very deep that any little sample
seems frivolous, naive . . . I've put up a little Krell Bass patch
and, if anyone is interested, I can email them a hi-res photo of the
patch (259e,  291e and 292e).   There is also a brief sound sample of
just me tweaking with a simple sine wave in the 259e -- no filters --
it is amazing the harmonic shifting and filtering that can be done
with just that one module.  Note that I'm only using the most simple
waveform -- the module has myriad waveforms!

RSA and others let me know if this is useful.  Also, I suspect there
are others on this list that could contribute even more impressive
samples than my rough beginnings. Maybe this is a start.

all best wishes, Todd
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/buchla200eStuff/FileSharing14.html





 
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The 261e is definitely the better oscillator.
The fact that you can detune the mod oscillator in relationship to the 
main one, plus much cleaner sound, and you can sweep through the 
waveforms (very nice PWM!).
All you need is one of these babies to make a huge noise. Highly 
recommended.

hello cuari7 --

Thanks much for the review -- that sounds like the module!  Any sound samples on this list or elsewhere?



cuari7 <cuari7@comcast.net> wrote:                                  The 261e is definitely the better oscillator.
 The fact that you can detune the mod oscillator in relationship to the 
 main one, plus much cleaner sound, and you can sweep through the 
 waveforms (very nice PWM!).
 All you need is one of these babies to make a huge noise. Highly 
 recommended.
 
 
     
                       

 			
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Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html

Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
in Metasynth of that 200e audio file.  The Meta remix is
"slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.

best wishes, Todd

very nice
 
 
 
vgermuse <vgermuse@yahoo.com> wrote:                                  Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
 http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
 
 Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
 in Metasynth of that 200e audio file.  The Meta remix is
 "slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
 Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.
 
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I liked that a lot, especially the remix.

Johan

2006/8/19, vgermuse <vgermuse@yahoo.com>:

> Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
> http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
>
> Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
> in Metasynth of that 200e audio file.  The Meta remix is
> "slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
> Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.
>
> best wishes, Todd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hello Johan --

Many thanks for your kind words and for taking the time to listen.

I share your love of Crakleboxes and the Xpander!

all best wishes,

Todd

JB <ringmodulator@gmail.com> wrote:                                  I liked that a lot, especially the remix.
 
 Johan
 
 2006/8/19, vgermuse <vgermuse@yahoo.com>:
 > Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
 > http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
 >
 > Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
 > in Metasynth of that 200e audio file.  The Meta remix is
 > "slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
 > Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.
 >
 > best wishes, Todd
 >
 >
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 >
 > Yahoo! Groups Links
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These are so wonderful! I can't wait for my baby 200e!
Given the really nice processing you are achieving
thru Metasynth, I'm guessing you might also really
enjoy working with Cecilia,
http://www.csounds.com/cecilia/

--- Todd Barton <vgermuse@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello Johan --
> 
> Many thanks for your kind words and for taking the
> time to listen.
> 
> I share your love of Crakleboxes and the Xpander!
> 
> all best wishes,
> 
> Todd
> 
> JB <ringmodulator@gmail.com> wrote:                 
>                 I liked that a lot, especially the
> remix.
>  
>  Johan
>  
>  2006/8/19, vgermuse <vgermuse@yahoo.com>:
>  > Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix"
> at
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>
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
>  >
>  > Also on this page is a "remix" via granular
> synthesis
>  > in Metasynth of that 200e audio file.  The Meta
> remix is
>  > "slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
>  > Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.
>  >
>  > best wishes, Todd
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>  >
>  >
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Thanks again - beautiful sounds, and SlowEvolution is a gorgeous 
piece of music in its own right.

I'm surprised by the quality of the sound in the MixCrop excerpt - it 
sounds much more like traditional additive synthesis that I would 
have expected from an "analog" synth. How did you do it? Is it all 
realtime?



>Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
><http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html>http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
>
>Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
>in Metasynth of that 200e audio file. The Meta remix is
>"slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
>Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.

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Hi Richard --

The original patch used 4 ocillators and was a slowly evolving wash.
Then I took that "chord" and randomized the notes and rhythms via
the 266.  Then just mixed the two audio files together.  No internal
editing or tweaking except for a little spring reverb emulation via
altiverb lexicon.

thanks for your kind comments.

best, Todd



Richard Lainhart <rlainhart@otownmedia.com> wrote:                                  Thanks again - beautiful sounds, and SlowEvolution is a gorgeous 
 piece of music in its own right.
 
 I'm surprised by the quality of the sound in the MixCrop excerpt - it 
 sounds much more like traditional additive synthesis that I would 
 have expected from an "analog" synth. How did you do it? Is it all 
 realtime?
 
 >Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
 ><http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html>http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
 >
 >Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
 >in Metasynth of that 200e audio file. The Meta remix is
 >"slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
 >Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.
 
 -- 
 
 Richard Lainhart
 O-Town Media
 rlainhart@otownmedia.com
 http://www.otownmedia.com
 
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Yo Dudes,
On the distinguishing qualities of 261e vs 259e in light of 2 recent 
commments -

"cuari7" wrote:
"The 261e is definitely the better oscillator. The fact that you can 
detune the mod oscillator in relationship to the main one, plus much 
cleaner sound, and you can sweep through the waveforms"

Richard Lainhart wrote:
"I'm surprised by the quality of the sound in the MixCrop excerpt - it 
 sounds much more like traditional additive synthesis that I would 
 have expected from an "analog" synth."

I'm not sure what exactly Lainhart is hearing as reminiscent of 
additive synthesis, but the green 259e waveshaping tables (being 
composed entirely of chebyshev polynomials) have something of that 
quality because they yield clearly bandlimited harmonic complexes (if 
I recall correctly none of the partials produced by the green tables 
are any higher than the 10th harmonic). I think it's a nice sound and 
like the 259e quite a bit.

In response to Cuari7's points: The 259e's Mod oscillator CAN be 
detuned from the Principal in Pitch Track mode (it's a firmware 
update) and I personally think the sweep-ability of the 259e is more 
varied than the 261e due to the waveshaping tables.

I like them both and don't think that one is "definitely the better 
oscillator". The 259e might seem more apealing once there's a way for 
users to write their own tables. I wonder if anyone here knows much 
about waveshaping? I've just started to look into the subject 
technically (having done the first experiments of just hand drawing 
tables to get a feel for what efffect different classes of transfer 
functions have), but haven't found much. I remember reading a while 
ago about using trig functions (particularly sin and cosine had 
special properties I think) and logs as table filler. and some article 
about how to reproduce an arbitrary harmonic evolution by waveshaping 
a sine (I think the example was emulating a clarinet attack).
anyone know where to point me?

Yasi Perera

here's another self-generating 200e patch, BuchlaStormBirds at:
 http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html

any other sounds out there?

cheers!


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Richard Lainhart <rlainhart@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks again - beautiful sounds, and SlowEvolution is a gorgeous 
> piece of music in its own right.
> 
> I'm surprised by the quality of the sound in the MixCrop excerpt - it 
> sounds much more like traditional additive synthesis that I would 
> have expected from an "analog" synth. How did you do it? Is it all 
> realtime?
> 
> 
> 
> >Here's another 200e playtime mix, "buchla-2 mix" at
>
><http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html>http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
> >
> >Also on this page is a "remix" via granular synthesis
> >in Metasynth of that 200e audio file. The Meta remix is
> >"slowEvolution" -- I wish I had some of the late
> >Richard "dr." Baily's animation to go with it.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Richard Lainhart
> O-Town Media
> rlainhart@...
> http://www.otownmedia.com
> 
> 
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>

As always, beautiful sounds, and a creative patch - thank you for these.

I'd post sounds if I had the means to make them....


>here's another self-generating 200e patch, BuchlaStormBirds at:
><http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html>http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
>
>any other sounds out there?
>
>cheers!

-- 


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O-Town Media
rlainhart@otownmedia.com
http://www.otownmedia.com


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Richard --

Thanks for listening and for the kind comments.  All the best, Todd

Richard Lainhart <rlainhart@otownmedia.com> wrote:                                  As always, beautiful sounds, and a creative patch - thank you for these.
 
 I'd post sounds if I had the means to make them....
 
 >here's another self-generating 200e patch, BuchlaStormBirds at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
 >
 >any other sounds out there?
 >
 >cheers!
 
 -- 
 
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 O-Town Media
 rlainhart@otownmedia.com
 http://www.otownmedia.com
 
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yet another 200e sound exploration -- "Demo Mix 2" at:

 http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html

all one patch, all real time, no overdubs, no effects :-)

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--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, don hassler <dlh30039@...> wrote:
>
> That was great! 

Many thanks Don, glad you enjoyed it.

>Patch details? 

see the photo I just uploaded here. I know I could be more efficient,
but you know how things start to "stack up" when you're on the fly :-)

>Night Strafe was nice too! 

Cool!

>Maybe a daytime flyover?

You got it. Go to:
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/BuchlaDayStrafe/iMovieTheater19.html

cheers!

> 
> --- Todd Barton <vgermuse@...> wrote:
> 
> > yet another 200e sound exploration -- "Demo Mix 2"
> > at:
> > 
> > 
> >
> http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
> > 
> > all one patch, all real time, no overdubs, no
> > effects :-)
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That was great! Patch details? Night Strafe was nice
too! Maybe a daytime flyover?

--- Todd Barton <vgermuse@yahoo.com> wrote:

> yet another 200e sound exploration -- "Demo Mix 2"
> at:
> 
> 
>
http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html
> 
> all one patch, all real time, no overdubs, no
> effects :-)
> 
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another 200e self-organizing patch at:

http://homepage.mac.com/bartonmusic/FileSharing13.html

modules used:
259e(x2), 260e, 266e, 281, 291, 292

cheers!