200e

....and all I can say is: HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!

This baby can get monstruous! Its resonance is incredibly intense, and 
if propperly tamed can give you beautiful vocal formants.

What's not to be liked? The amplitude, freq and bandwidth knobs are 
stepped, so their effects are zipper-like.
How to go around this? With a voltage fed into its jacks, of course! 
Smooth response, just like analog should be!!

Congrats on finally getting that baby! Sounds like it was worth the 
wait.

cuari7 wrote:

<<This baby can get monstruous! Its resonance is incredibly intense>>

Notice it picks off chromatic scale intervals as opposed to harmonic
intervals when in high resonance.  And yes, it's analog and no, I'm not sure
how in the hell he did this.

- P



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Further experimentation has yielded the following: the oscillators 
have 2 outputs, of which one is fed into the filter, then the other 
one's fed into a 292 in filter mode, then both are mixed into a 210e 
before sending it to a final 292 in gate mode. This preserves the deep 
low end that the bandpass filter removes, while giving you the 
crunchy, juicy resonance (yeaow!!). Whoever thinks you can't 
get "conventional" analog sounds a la Moog or ARP need to try this.....

cuari7

That's really great to hear. As I mentioned to you before, I've been
curious about just how well the 200e can produce 'conventional' analog
sounds. The 291e looks incredible, that morphing feature sounds like a
lot of fun. Have you experimented with it at all? Seems like it would
be great for creating 'vocal' type sounds.


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "cuari7" <cuari7@c...> wrote:

> 
> Further experimentation has yielded the following: the oscillators 
> have 2 outputs, of which one is fed into the filter, then the other 
> one's fed into a 292 in filter mode, then both are mixed into a 210e 
> before sending it to a final 292 in gate mode. This preserves the deep 
> low end that the bandpass filter removes, while giving you the 
> crunchy, juicy resonance (yeaow!!). Whoever thinks you can't 
> get "conventional" analog sounds a la Moog or ARP need to try this.....
> 
> cuari7

> low end that the bandpass filter removes, while giving you the 
> crunchy, juicy resonance (yeaow!!). Whoever thinks you can't 
> get "conventional" analog sounds a la Moog or ARP need to try 
> this.....

You can also phase shift the filtered signal using spacial dynamics in 
the 227e. B and C are 90 degrees out of phase from A and D is 180 
degrees out of phase from A. Mix the filtered signal back to the 
original signal - voila, a phaser.  Try it with 1 signal sent to all 
channels of the filter with each channel set to a different center 
frequency.

E

How does the tone compare to something like a Cwejman S1 or a Voyager in term of 
warmth and fatness?



--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "cuari7" <cuari7@c...> wrote:

> 
> Further experimentation has yielded the following: the oscillators 
> have 2 outputs, of which one is fed into the filter, then the other 
> one's fed into a 292 in filter mode, then both are mixed into a 210e 
> before sending it to a final 292 in gate mode. This preserves the deep 
> low end that the bandpass filter removes, while giving you the 
> crunchy, juicy resonance (yeaow!!). Whoever thinks you can't 
> get "conventional" analog sounds a la Moog or ARP need to try this.....
> 
> cuari7

--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "imabadbadkat96" <imabadbadkat96@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> How does the tone compare to something like a Cwejman S1 or a 
Voyager in term of 
> warmth and fatness?

Two different things altogether....

The Voyager and Cwejman have that traditional "warm" resonant sound, 
whereas the 200e sounds more like a grungy, PPG-like digital 
monster. Now, if you feed another type of oscillator into the LPG 
(like my PCO's, especially the sawtooth wave) or the modulating 
oscillator (left half of the 259e) and play it in "filter" mode with 
a slightly soft attack, it makes for really nice, thick, rubbery, 
brassy sounds. If you want to add resonance to this, then combining 
the LPG plus the filter gives you something closer to the Voyager or 
the Cwej, but dirtier (closer to the Serge Variable Slope Filter).
My suggestion to you: if it's Moogy sounds you're after, get either 
the Voyager or the Cwejman. If it's weirder stuff you're after, then 
go for the Bookla....

> the Cwej, but dirtier (closer to the Serge Variable Slope Filter).
> My suggestion to you: if it's Moogy sounds you're after, get either 
> the Voyager or the Cwejman. If it's weirder stuff you're after, then 
> go for the Bookla....

Sweeping warp with the same CV modulating frequency on the filter 
produces a more "tradional" filter sweep sound as well.  Also depends 
on which waveform and wave table is used.  You can certainly do "moogy" 
sounds on a 200e. You can always use the square wave or saw wave from 
the mod osc in audio range to get even closer. You just have to think 
through what is happening in terms of waveform and harmonic structure.  
You can do all that with a 200e, but, getting there will be different 
than you would expect.

You can certainly do "moogy" 
> sounds on a 200e. You can always use the square wave or saw wave from 
> the mod osc in audio range to get even closer. <<


Yes, indeed.
I was fiddling with it the other night, and came up with that 
trite "Lucky Man" lead sound. It was interesting to hear how rich these 
square waves sound when they're slightly detuned with each other. The 
255 provides me no less than eight lag processors, so the cheesy 
portamentos were there too.


>>You just have to think 
> through what is happening in terms of waveform and harmonic 
structure.  
> You can do all that with a 200e, but, getting there will be different 
> than you would expect.<<


Yep, and the unusual can be had much easier........

:-)