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simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a realistic piano sound???
help!

Simple, but there is absolutely no context for your posting.  What are
you talking about?


On 15/11/06, Marc <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
> simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a realistic piano sound???
> help!
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more simple ... 
u just bought the wrong tool for it :-) 
Virtual analog to get a realistic piano ?
u must be joking !!! 

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simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a realistic piano sound???
help!

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Cooke" <smcooke@...> wrote:
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> Simple, but there is absolutely no context for your posting.  What are
> you talking about?
> 
> 
> On 15/11/06, Marc <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
> > simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a
realistic piano sound???
> > help!
> >
> >
> >
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> Steve Cooke
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Forget that idea! AN delivers good va (analogic) sounds and that's its
aim and that's it! Maybe u could approach some kind of FM tones via
cross-modulation but it will never sound as rafined as a classic DX.
As to acoustic piano, only rompling technique (with numerous Gigabytes
of samples) is able to pseudo recreate the complexity instrument.

Hi !
2 things :
the piano is (with the violin) one of the trickiest instruments to 
emulate with electronics.
the AN1X is a modern "reissue"* of old time analog synths dedicated 
mostly to sound research, more than realistic imitation of existing 
instruments.
This said, you have a good *electric* piano in the factory presets , 
it's called "Whitney E.P." . If you're looking for an acoustic piano 
sound the better way is to get a dedicated expander (Alesis or Kurzweil, 
i know both but you can find others) plugged in your AN1X. Or with more 
room and money, buy an electronic piano with sampled sounds , 88 
weighted keys and so on ....
Cheers
J.F.
*Soundwise, yes, but on an electronic point of view, no. It is "virtual 
analog" , i.e. the analog circuits of yesterdays are replaced by DSP 
based sound generation with real time controls .

tempf2002 a \ufffdcrit :

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> "Steve Cooke" <smcooke@...> wrote:
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> > Simple, but there is absolutely no context for your posting. What are
> > you talking about?
> >
> >
> > On 15/11/06, Marc <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
> > > simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a
> realistic piano sound???
> > > help!
>
>
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Good sir, 
If you want a good piano sound from a yamaha
( korg M1 piano, Alesis Grand )go with a CS6x. As others have said here,
the AN200 is a VA synth recreating the sounds of the anolog beasts of
yore ( I have an AN1x and a CS6x.)
The CS6x has some great pianos, and you can pick one up off ebay
cheap, well worth the investment! Good luck :)

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Marc" <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
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> simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a realistic piano sound???
> help!
>


thank you all for your sarcasm, nitpicking, put downs, and pointing out the obvious...

those who did sincerly try to help me out, your advice is appreciated, and some of your 
suggestions will be put to use...

I'd like to explain a little more the reasons behind my question...I use a tiny keyboard set-
up live...just an oxygen and an AN200...now I've been able to do without adding more gear 
...(I switch between guitar and keys all the time)...but I'd like to add just a simple piano 
sound...the sonic possibilties of the AN200 must surely be able to 'fake' a realistic 
sounding piano sound...surely there must be some geniuses out there that could help me 
out instead of berating me...I realise fully that the AN200 is a virtual analog type of 
machine...DUH!...that's the reason I bought it!...but I'm sure I can push the envelope (no 
oun intended) and find a piano sound that could somehow approach what I'm looking for

thanks in advance

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Marc" <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
> thank you all for your sarcasm, nitpicking, put downs, and pointing out the obvious...

You seem to have missed the point behind the humor. The AN1x is unsuited to emulating a 
realistic, acoustic piano. This is a limitation of the VA technology, not a matter or hubris or 
disinterest in your goal.

You CAN arrive at a serviceable rendition of Rhodes and other digital emulations - and, as 
Jimmy suggested, there are many examples of such efforts in the Voices directory of the Files 
section for AN1x-list here at Yahoo! Groups. 

With practice, you might arrive at a facsimile of an analog 'piano' type sound, but it will not 
be a convincing replica of an acoustice piano. This is best suited for a ROMpler or sampler - 
to insist otherwise is unproductive at best, naive at worst.

Jon

Ce qui se con\ufffdoit bien s'\ufffdnonce clairement !
I don't know the equivalent expression in english, sorry !
OK, set your VCA envelope with a short attack, a long decay, no sustain 
and a shorter release. That's the most important and the easier to 
imitate. The filter envelope has less importance , try the same or 
something simpler (attack -sustain- release and keep the release longer 
than the VCA) . Tweak the key follow for the VCF to get slightly less 
filtering on the bass side . For the waveform you can use sawtooth or 
pulse . Both oscillators should be slightly detuned , because the 2 or 3 
strings on an acoustic piano are not accurately tuned . For the effects 
: a small amount of chorus to thicken the sound and maybe a slight PWM 
on pulse around the "good" (according to your taste) duty cycle .Add 
reverb to your taste. Of course velocity is an important  parameter for 
both VCA and VCF .
Try it and let us know .... I've tried something like that on another 
synth (Casio CZ) .
Cheers
J.F.

Marc a \ufffdcrit :

> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> "Marc" <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
> >
> > simple, but I can't seem to get something close enough to a 
> realistic piano sound???
> > help!
> >
>
> thank you all for your sarcasm, nitpicking, put downs, and pointing 
> out the obvious...
>
> those who did sincerly try to help me out, your advice is appreciated, 
> and some of your
> suggestions will be put to use...
>
> I'd like to explain a little more the reasons behind my question...I 
> use a tiny keyboard set-
> up live...just an oxygen and an AN200...now I've been able to do 
> without adding more gear
> ...(I switch between guitar and keys all the time)...but I'd like to 
> add just a simple piano
> sound...the sonic possibilties of the AN200 must surely be able to 
> 'fake' a realistic
> sounding piano sound...surely there must be some geniuses out there 
> that could help me
> out instead of berating me...I realise fully that the AN200 is a 
> virtual analog type of
> machine...DUH!...that's the reason I bought it!...but I'm sure I can 
> push the envelope (no
> oun intended) and find a piano sound that could somehow approach what 
> I'm looking for
>
> thanks in advance
>
> 
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The CS6X has a decent piano sound. I've heard a lot better.




--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "nung242" <nung242@...> wrote:
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> Good sir, 
> If you want a good piano sound from a yamaha
> ( korg M1 piano, Alesis Grand )go with a CS6x. As others have said 
here,
> the AN200 is a VA synth recreating the sounds of the anolog beasts 
of

> yore ( I have an AN1x and a CS6x.)
> The CS6x has some great pianos, and you can pick one up off ebay
> cheap, well worth the investment! Good luck :)
>

why thank you Jon...you don't know how good it feels to be deemed 'unproductive' and 
'naive'...

very nice...

I'll refrain from vulgarity and put an end to this topic...


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Marc" <dive_dhali_dive@> wrote:
> > thank you all for your sarcasm, nitpicking, put downs, and pointing out the obvious...
> 
> You seem to have missed the point behind the humor. The AN1x is unsuited to 
emulating a 
> realistic, acoustic piano. This is a limitation of the VA technology, not a matter or hubris 
or 
> disinterest in your goal.
> 
> You CAN arrive at a serviceable rendition of Rhodes and other digital emulations - and, 
as 
> Jimmy suggested, there are many examples of such efforts in the Voices directory of the 
Files 
> section for AN1x-list here at Yahoo! Groups. 
> 
> With practice, you might arrive at a facsimile of an analog 'piano' type sound, but it will 
not 
> be a convincing replica of an acoustice piano. This is best suited for a ROMpler or 
sampler - 

> to insist otherwise is unproductive at best, naive at worst.
> 
> Jon
>

You need to lose that chip on your shoulder.


On 10/12/06, Marc <dive_dhali_dive@...> wrote:
> why thank you Jon...you don't know how good it feels to be deemed 'unproductive' and
> 'naive'...
>
> very nice...
>
> I'll refrain from vulgarity and put an end to this topic...
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Marc" <dive_dhali_dive@> wrote:
> > > thank you all for your sarcasm, nitpicking, put downs, and pointing out the obvious...
> >
> > You seem to have missed the point behind the humor. The AN1x is unsuited to
> emulating a
> > realistic, acoustic piano. This is a limitation of the VA technology, not a matter or hubris
> or
> > disinterest in your goal.
> >
> > You CAN arrive at a serviceable rendition of Rhodes and other digital emulations - and,
> as
> > Jimmy suggested, there are many examples of such efforts in the Voices directory of the
> Files
> > section for AN1x-list here at Yahoo! Groups.
> >
> > With practice, you might arrive at a facsimile of an analog 'piano' type sound, but it will
> not
> > be a convincing replica of an acoustice piano. This is best suited for a ROMpler or
> sampler -
> > to insist otherwise is unproductive at best, naive at worst.
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
>
>
>
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> Salut !
> ce coup ci je vais te répondre en français .

In the future, please remember this list is an english language list. Lengthy posts in your 
native tongue should be taken offline.

Thank you.

Jon

Sorry folks !
on the Mozilla toolbar "reply" and "reply to all" are just close each 
other and with a similar icon ....
@+
J.F.

Jon a \ufffdcrit :

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