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Hello,


I have heard many times from various people, that if one knows and 
understands the  AN1X paramters and gets deep into this, one should be 
able to produce any kind of sound.

I sometimes wonder why many have more then One synth in thier studio if 
this was the case?





Regards
Alien1x

alien1x schreef:

> I have heard many times from various people, that if one knows and 
> understands the  AN1X paramters and gets deep into this, one should be 
> able to produce any kind of sound.
> 
> I sometimes wonder why many have more then One synth in thier studio if 
> this was the case?

Well, there's your answer: it's not the case. There's quite a large 
variety of sounds that you'll never be able to truthfully make with an 
AN1x (or any subtractive synthesiser, for that matter).

Examples are piano, guitar (whether electric or acoustic), certain wind 
instruments like a saxophone, etc.

Anyway, every synth has its own character. So you could buy two synths 
that use subtractive ('analogue') synthesis, and still get very 
different sounds out of them.

A friend of mine had 25 synths, among which a Korg T2 and a Yamaha 
CS-60, in a bedroom that was perhaps three or four times larger than his 
single bed. There are those who claim that you can never have enough 
synths. :)

- Peter

Like Peter explains ------ no single synth can create all sounds 
imagined or desired.  Consider a car -- each has its special qualities 
that set it apart.. some incorporate more due to innovative design and 
final costs, others produce some very special functions that surpass 
very expensive models due to innovation and ingenuity.   Every car has 
its strengths and limitations.  All tools must be selected by a 
weighting scale that determines 
function+durability+versatility/cost-investment.

Although I absolutely love some of the AN1x sounds, I must have other 
synths to produce unique audio beauty found nowhere else.  The 
individual choices are up to the artist...  Personally I need the 
authenticity of orchestral instrumentation as well as the futuristic 
sweeps of a VA synth.
 

*Ed Edwards*

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alien1x wrote:

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> I have heard many times from various people, that if one knows and 
> understands the  AN1X paramters and gets deep into this, one should be 
> able to produce any kind of sound.
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> I sometimes wonder why many have more then One synth in thier studio if 
> this was the case?
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> Regards
> Alien1x
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alien1x a \ufffdcrit :

>Hello,
>
>
>I have heard many times from various people, that if one knows and 
>understands the  AN1X paramters and gets deep into this, one should be 
>able to produce any kind of sound.
>
>I sometimes wonder why many have more then One synth in thier studio if 
>this was the case?
>  
>
Hello !
Any kind of sound .... don't be too optimistic !
Read : any kind of analog type sound, once made famous by the 
"electronic dinosaurs" of the 70's and 80's. Later synths use purely 
digital electronics to generate the sounds which were often rather 
different, complex but with no or little possibility to control this 
sound when you're playing, less expressive. To take an exemple think of 
an electric guitar with the possibility to bend or choke the strings, 
not to mention all the various stompboxes used by most guitar players, 
the interaction between the instrument and the amplifier, and on another 
hand an acoustic piano.
Having both types of synths allows more different types of sound, 
complex but "frozen" with , say, a DX 7 or a Casio CZ and warmer and 
lively with an analog one . That's one reason.
Another one is to be able to play different sounds with each hand (OK , 
you can split the keyboard with the AN1x) and run a sequence on a third 
one. And, as guitars or pianos sound differently depending on the model 
(a Les Paul does not sound like a Telecaster, a Yamaha acoustic piano 
does not sound like a Steinway...) each synth has his own character, 
remember the "Moog sound" and the Oberheim or Sequential ones.
And if you want realistic sounds inspired by acoustic instruments you 
better use a sampler which is designed to record and playback natural 
sounds.
@+
J.F.

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>Regards
>Alien1x
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Sometimes it's very usefull to deeply research the one you own, 
it is too common (easy) to buy new gear before really know what can 
be done.
But truly, AN1x is not the "only one" -kind of synth, like the 
workstations are.
Car metaphor (almost) always work; like if you have only the 
sportscar, then you may need another one for the work.
IRL there are many, and I mean Many collectors.

Two attempts at an "all in one" synth (at opposite ends of the price 
spectrum) are the Alesis Fusion and the Korg Oa$y$ ;) My S80 with the 
AN and DX boards installed is a pretty good 3 in 1 rig. A minimum 
setup for me is 2 boards; I gotta have 88 weighted keys and a 
clonewheel(CX-3). Hammond organ riffs are impossible to play on Piano 
keys.  -Steve

"
 I have heard many times from various people, that if one knows and 
 understands the  AN1X paramters and gets deep into this, one should be 
 able to produce any kind of sound. "

Who said such rubbish? :-P

alien1x <alien1x@...> wrote:                                  Hello,
 
 I have heard many times from various people, that if one knows and 
 understands the  AN1X paramters and gets deep into this, one should be 
 able to produce any kind of sound.
 
 I sometimes wonder why many have more then One synth in thier studio if 
 this was the case?
 
 Regards
 Alien1x
 
 
     
                       

       
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uralmoto2001 a \ufffdcrit :

>Two attempts at an "all in one" synth (at opposite ends of the price 
>spectrum) are the Alesis Fusion and the Korg Oa$y$ ;) My S80 with the 
>AN and DX boards installed is a pretty good 3 in 1 rig. A minimum 
>setup for me is 2 boards; I gotta have 88 weighted keys and a 
>clonewheel(CX-3). Hammond organ riffs are impossible to play on Piano 
>keys.  -Steve     
>
>  
>
For "alien1x" : i  missed something.... my own gear!
Yamaha AN1x, of course...
Kawa\ufffd K1, because of its basic "rough" approach of the additive (or more 
precisely wavetable*) synthesis.A funny joystick to mix the 4 waves 
added, but neither MIDI controlled, nor MIDI controller : it would have 
been great , sigh ...
Casio CZ : the phase distorsion is easier to program than FM, assuming 
it is very similar electronically speaking, and the 8 (!) segment 
envelopes are very powerful . One regret : once programmed, there is no 
real time control.... but for an early eighties digital synth....
Red Sound Elevata expander (virtual analog as the AN1x) : the sounds are 
"analog" too, but very different from the AN1x ones, more "raw" and 
sometimes agressive, 8 part multitimbral . And it's a collector item : 
only 250 made by a small british company.
Another "collector" : Evolution EVS1 expander, british "multimode 
synthesis" engine (FM, phase distorsion, additive) .You can assign a few 
external controllers to some parameters. Some sounds can be very "D50 
like", others are typically FM
The Kawa\ufffd is hooked to the Red Sound, because it has external signal 
inputs and i can use its VCF-VCA-LFOs to "post process" the sounds of 
the Kawa\ufffd which has no filter (!), or mix them to the internal classic 
"Saw - sine - square" VCOs.... it's like adding 4 more VCOs with other 
waveforms.
The AN1x usually controls the EVS1 : i can assign a knob or 2 as MIDI 
controllers for it.
The CZ is used alone (no velocity sensitive keyboard...) for soloing or 
pads.
Each synth was purchased second hand at a bargain price.... they're all 
now "obsolete", but not mythical and sought-after oldies!
Cheers !
J.F.
*The only real additive synth in mass production was the Kawa\ufffd K5 (64 
harmonics !). The K1 adds 2 to 4 complex waveforms, each with its own 
envelope and delay, that's all! Further Kawa\ufffd synths got a basic 
internal lo pass filter....

Daniel Mandic schreef:

> It's like the AMIGA Soundchip. Just 10 instead of 4 voices...

Wow, hang on a second. The Paula does four voices of 8-bit samples, with 
two voices on the left and two on the right stereo channel. The AN1x has 
two digital signal processors that *calculate* how it should sound, and 
hopefully it has more resolution than just 8-bit.

> Although, it lacks the virtual voices, where one channel may play a 3- or 4 
> Voice monosynth (e.g. Moog). Sampled, of course! That would make 12-16 
> virtual voices (hearable!), just with 4 real channels :-)

I remember talking to the author of Oktalyzer. First, he claimed that he 
could speed up my super-optimised Mandelbrot program by a factor of two. 
Later, he came to ask how to actually draw a Mandelbrot set. :)

- Peter

It's like the AMIGA Soundchip. Just 10 instead of 4 voices...

Although, it lacks the virtual voices, where one channel may play a 3- or 4 
Voice monosynth (e.g. Moog). Sampled, of course! That would make 12-16 
virtual voices (hearable!), just with 4 real channels :-)



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

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From: "boogie_koski" <boogie@...>
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: [AN1x] Re: Why have more then 1 synth?


> Sometimes it's very usefull to deeply research the one you own,
> it is too common (easy) to buy new gear before really know what can
> be done.
> But truly, AN1x is not the "only one" -kind of synth, like the
> workstations are.
> Car metaphor (almost) always work; like if you have only the
> sportscar, then you may need another one for the work.
> IRL there are many, and I mean Many collectors.

> Although I absolutely love some of the AN1x sounds, I must have other 
> synths to produce unique audio beauty found nowhere else.  The 
> individual choices are up to the artist...  Personally I need the 
> authenticity of orchestral instrumentation as well as the futuristic 
> sweeps of a VA synth.
> 
> 
> *Ed Edwards*


I forgot my digital machines, indeed.



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

> Wow, hang on a second. The Paula does four voices of 8-bit samples, with 
> two voices on the left and two on the right stereo channel. The AN1x has 
> two digital signal processors that *calculate* how it should sound, and 
> hopefully it has more resolution than just 8-bit.


It stays... The An1X cannot sample at all!

No matter what bit it is, you could hear up to 16 voices :-)




Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

2 totaly different creatures Steve (Fusion/Oasys)...
Fusion is here in the studio now, I visit a Oasys ...
I think I am going to record a few things for the next CD
off one of the visited ones till I can aquire one ...
I never took out the boards of the AN or DX 200
here for the S-80 ... stand alone feed from
one of the keys worked fine ...

Did you see that you could use softsynths with the Oasys?
just way out of my price range right now ... someday ;-)

dale

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: uralmoto2001

Two attempts at an "all in one" synth (at opposite ends of the price
spectrum) are the Alesis Fusion and the Korg Oa$y$ ;) My S80 with the
AN and DX boards installed is a pretty good 3 in 1 rig. A minimum
setup for me is 2 boards; I gotta have 88 weighted keys and a
clonewheel(CX-3). Hammond organ riffs are impossible to play on Piano
keys. -Steve