The Yamaha AN1x Synthesizer mailing list

Yes...Use An1xEdit!

I am not sure what you mean by the AN-EXPERT PC software (do you mean
the original Yamaha Macintosh Editor?). However if it was designed for
the An1x, then it is unlikely to be totally compatible with the
PLG150AN.

Both devices use the same sysex addresses for editing the EDIT buffer of
the card (i.e. auditioning the sound whilst you tweak). Hence you may be
able to tweak voices OK. However the PLG150AN and the AN1x have
different sysex addresses for user sound bank memory. Hence if the
AN-EXPERT PC software is designed to operate with the AN1x, it is
unlikely to work with the PLG150AN.

As far as I know, only An1xEdit correctly supports both devices!

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 

-----Original Message-----
From: loudpaul [mailto:loudpaul@...] 
Sent: 18 July 2018 22:06
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x-list] how can AN-EXPERT file goto cs6x card?

I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-an
card, which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but can I
F**k as like store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my smart
media card, can anyone save me from bursting any more blood vessels.
................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........

yours frustrated

Loudy

Hello Loud, Sod AN expert if you can't figure it out, use AN-Edit
instead, and use the 'Send' button! As for the smart media, I'm not
sure.

But AN-edit will definitely do the Job, no problem and it's free.
Failing that you need to send a sysex string to the card, that tells it
to store the current edit buffer or voice to a program number on the
card.

Hold on, I'll look through the manual and see if I can find it.

Well, it would appear that the instructions for storing the voice to
smart media are in the CS6x manual.

And as for the PLG pdf, there is no info in there apart from the above,
maybe it's a question for Gary G.?

Quite odd though, I can't work out the sysex from AN-edit, but I am
assuming that a bulk scene dump is being done. 

I can't find the status byte!

In article <001801d41edb$2780a380$1112ff3e@paulloud>, loudpaul
<loudpaul@...> writes
>I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-an card, 
>which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but can I F**k as like 
>store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my smart media card, can anyone 
>save me from bursting any more blood vessels.
>................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........
>
>yours frustrated
>
>Loudy
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>Community email addresses:
>  Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>  Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
>Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>

See ya,

Reggie

Reggie wrote:
>>
Well, it would appear that the instructions for storing the voice to
smart media are in the CS6x manual.
And as for the PLG pdf, there is no info in there apart from the above,
maybe it's a question for Gary G.?
<<

Saving to smart Media is purely a function of the CS6x...the PLG card
knows absolutely nothing about this!

>>
Quite odd though, I can't work out the sysex from AN-edit, but I am
assuming that a bulk scene dump is being done.
<<

An1xEdit uses Voice Bulk dump and SEQ bulk dump for storing data to the
AN device user bank memory. These are the only bulk dump messages that
can alter the user memory. All other bulk dumps (Common, scene, Ctrl,
Step SEQ etc) address the edit buffer of the device....and are thus not
stored to the user bank.

The PLG PDF manual states that the PLG responds to AN1x Voice bulk
dump...however, in my experience it does not (Yamaha may have fixed this
on later revisions of the PLGAN card....but on the one I have, it
doesn't work)! The PLG does respond to AN1x current voice (edit buffer)
sysex, since the An1x and PLG cards use the same addresses for these
dumps. However the addresses for user bank voice/seq are different!

An1x: 11 nn 00
PLG:  20 nn 00

Furthermore there are several parameters that must be tweaked when
swapping sysex data between the AN1x and PLG150AN to accommodate the
different parameter sets of the devices. Neither device performs these
tweaks automatically.

Fortunately, An1xEdit sorts this entire mess out for you. Just select
the appropriate device mode and away you go!  

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme

In article <000001c11038$cd2e9680$0200a8c0@bigpc>, Gary Gregson
<gary@yme.co.uk> writes
>Reggie wrote:
>>>
>Well, it would appear that the instructions for storing the voice to
>smart media are in the CS6x manual.
>And as for the PLG pdf, there is no info in there apart from the above,
>maybe it's a question for Gary G.?
><<
>
>Saving to smart Media is purely a function of the CS6x...the PLG card
>knows absolutely nothing about this!
>
It's just what I read in the manual :¬)




>>>
>Quite odd though, I can't work out the sysex from AN-edit, but I am
>assuming that a bulk scene dump is being done.
><<
>
>An1xEdit uses Voice Bulk dump and SEQ bulk dump for storing data to the
>AN device user bank memory. These are the only bulk dump messages that
>can alter the user memory. All other bulk dumps (Common, scene, Ctrl,
>Step SEQ etc) address the edit buffer of the device....and are thus not
>stored to the user bank.

I knew it was a dump message, but in midiox the message starts 00 01 00
01, not with the usual F0 or E0? So it was hard to find which message it
was sending.  I'm glad you cleared that up I will remember that now. 



>
>The PLG PDF manual states that the PLG responds to AN1x Voice bulk
>dump...however, in my experience it does not (Yamaha may have fixed this
>on later revisions of the PLGAN card....but on the one I have, it
>doesn't work)! The PLG does respond to AN1x current voice (edit buffer)
>sysex, since the An1x and PLG cards use the same addresses for these
>dumps. However the addresses for user bank voice/seq are different!
>
>An1x: 11 nn 00
>PLG:  20 nn 00
>
>Furthermore there are several parameters that must be tweaked when
>swapping sysex data between the AN1x and PLG150AN to accommodate the
>different parameter sets of the devices. Neither device performs these
>tweaks automatically.
>
>Fortunately, An1xEdit sorts this entire mess out for you. Just select
>the appropriate device mode and away you go!  
>
>Regards
>
>Gary Gregson
>
>Email:gary@...
>http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 
>
>
>
>Community email addresses:
>  Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>  Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
>Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>

See ya,

Reggie

>At 10:06 PM 18/07/18 +0100, loudpaul wrote:
>I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-an
card, which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but can I F**k
as like store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my smart media card,
can anyone save me from bursting any more blood vessels.
>................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........
>
>yours frustrated
>Loudy


You could always do what I did:  just sell the shit, get rid of it.   I had
a CS6x with a PLG150AN and a PLG150PF card.   What a friggin' headache.
That's got to be one of poorest operating system and user interface designs
I've ever encountered.   Totally non-intuitive and non-musician-friendly.
And I'm not a chimp, either - I am literate about synthesizers and
computers.  I've been dealing with midi synths for almost 20 years, and I
also work as a computer programmer.   I finally realized that I was wasting
my time on that shit, and needlessly frustrating myself.   I did myself a
favour and got rid of the whole thing.   From now one, some of my primary
rules are:  1) never buy a synth that needs expansion cards - if you're not
happy using it without expansions, don't buy it   2) avoid expansion cards
- proceed with extreme caution   3)  proceed with extreme caution where
Yamaha synths are concerned  4) make user-friendly operating system a
higher priority when buying synths.

Richard

Please help stamp out velocity-switching.

Reggie wrote:
>>
I knew it was a dump message, but in midiox the message starts 00 01 00
01, not with the usual F0 or E0? So it was hard to find which message it
was sending.  
<<

Huh? Sysex messages never start with E0...that's pitch bend! It is
possible to get a sysex continuation message (F7) ...but it's rarely
used with modern systems.

The message for the AN1x should start: F0 43 00 5C 0F 16 11
For the PLG150AN the message should start: F0 43 00 5C 0E 28 20

If MIDIOX is showing something different on your system, then you have a
configuration problem in MIDIOX or whatever you are using as a pipe
driver between An1xEdit and MIDIOX....in other words you are losing
data!!!!

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme

--- In AN1x-list@y..., Richard Whitehouse <rsw@a...> wrote:

> 
> You could always do what I did:  just sell the shit, get rid of 
it.   I had
> a CS6x with a PLG150AN and a PLG150PF card.   What a friggin' 
headache.
> That's got to be one of poorest operating system and user interface 
designs
> I've ever encountered.   Totally non-intuitive and non-musician-
friendly.
> And I'm not a chimp, either - I am literate about synthesizers and
> computers.  I've been dealing with midi synths for almost 20 years, 
and I
> also work as a computer programmer.   I finally realized that I was 
wasting
> my time on that shit, and needlessly frustrating myself.   I did 
myself a
> favour and got rid of the whole thing.   From now one, some of my 
primary
> rules are:  1) never buy a synth that needs expansion cards - if 
you're not
> happy using it without expansions, don't buy it   2) avoid 
expansion cards
> - proceed with extreme caution   3)  proceed with extreme caution 
where
> Yamaha synths are concerned  4) make user-friendly operating system 
a
> higher priority when buying synths.
> 
> Richard
> 
> Please help stamp out velocity-switching.

BRAVO! Good for you. There's an attitude I can respect - no fooling :-
) I owned a Korg Wavestation for years. Loved the sound :-) hated 
programming it :-# Consequently, I was never able to exploit the 
machine the way it was intended :-(

In regards to the AN1x, ever notice how many comments in the online 
reviews detract from the Assign Knob/Function button design? I find 
this an effective mechanism to navigate - and the matrix works for me 
too (if only the select knob were replaced by a column of buttons as 
on the A3000.) But I imagine if the user is not already experienced 
with your typical subtractive synth layout that this can be confusing.

regards,

Jon

p.s. - Are you lobbying to replace velocity-switching with crossfade 
switching or another mechanism?

In article <000001c11054$52f43d40$0200a8c0@bigpc>, Gary Gregson
<gary@...> writes
>Reggie wrote:
>>>
>I knew it was a dump message, but in midiox the message starts 00 01 00
>01, not with the usual F0 or E0? So it was hard to find which message it
>was sending.  
><<
>
>Huh? Sysex messages never start with E0...that's pitch bend!
That's why I put a question mark by it, I wasn't sure because the whole
string is missing in Midiox, I get around 490bytes of 00 01 then a load
of other data after it.



> It is
>possible to get a sysex continuation message (F7) ...but it's rarely
>used with modern systems.
>
>The message for the AN1x should start: F0 43 00 5C 0F 16 11
>For the PLG150AN the message should start: F0 43 00 5C 0E 28 20
>
>If MIDIOX is showing something different on your system, then you have a
>configuration problem in MIDIOX or whatever you are using as a pipe
>driver between An1xEdit and MIDIOX....in other words you are losing
>data!!!!
It would appear that hubi's is losing data then, oh, dear.




>
>Regards
>
>Gary Gregson
>
>Email:gary@...
>http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 
>
>
>
>
>Community email addresses:
>  Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>  Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
>Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>

See ya,

Reggie

>>At 03:11 PM 19/07/18 +0100, loudpaul wrote:
>Very interesting reply, to be honest i have thought about that myself quite
>a few times, but I thought............surely yamaha would not bring out a
>synth that ....woudn't sync properly.....have expansion boards that dont
>marry to thier software..........or marry to the keyboard that it is
>in.........but yes they did.
>Pitty they didnt design something that all worked as 1, as I thought it
>would when I bought it.
>What  did you replace it with per chance?

Haven't decided yet.  I have several other synths, but I was looking for a
good synth to use an an "all-in-one" gigging synth that would have
excellent quality versions of all the basic sounds I need (ac. pno, rhodes,
wurlitzer, B3, strings, pads, analog synth sounds, etc.

I could have gone with the S80, but I didn't want to go above 40 lbs in
weight.

I could have gone with a Triton Pro, but I don't think the user interface
is designed very well for live performing, at least not for me.

For me, the best system I have yet used is my combination of a Roland A-50
controller plus a rack with several synth modules.  But it's not perfect -
I don't like carrying the rack around to gigs, the A-50 user interface is
good but could be better.   Etc., etc.

It looks like I'm never going to find what I'm looking for, so I'm
considering abandoning the search.  I may just buy a Korg CX-3, and gig
with my P80 piano and the CX3.

Richard

Please help stamp out velocity-switching.

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "loudpaul" <loudpaul@n...> wrote:
> I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-
an card, which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but 
can I F**k as like store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my 
smart media card, can anyone save me from bursting any more blood 
vessels.
> ................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........


Hi Folks,

I'm new to the list. I just purchased a PLG150AN board for my CS6x 
and was looking through the thread that follows this message for some 
info before I installed the board and started fooling around with it.

If interested, I came across the following link to a Yamaha PDF which 
explains how to use the CS6X with the AN plug-in board: 
http://www.yamahasynth.com/d_pro/d_plg150/plg150an.pdf

I also added a new folder in the bookmarks section with the link.

Great resource you have here.

Best,

-DC

I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-an card, which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but can I F**k as like store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my smart media card, can anyone save me from bursting any more blood vessels.
................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........

yours frustrated

Loudy


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thankyou Reggie and Gary

Loudy
loudpaul@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Reggie <reggie@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] how can AN-EXPERT file goto cs6x card?


> Hello Loud, Sod AN expert if you can't figure it out, use AN-Edit
> instead, and use the 'Send' button! As for the smart media, I'm not
> sure.
>
> But AN-edit will definitely do the Job, no problem and it's free.
> Failing that you need to send a sysex string to the card, that tells it
> to store the current edit buffer or voice to a program number on the
> card.
>
> Hold on, I'll look through the manual and see if I can find it.
>
> Well, it would appear that the instructions for storing the voice to
> smart media are in the CS6x manual.
>
> And as for the PLG pdf, there is no info in there apart from the above,
> maybe it's a question for Gary G.?
>
> Quite odd though, I can't work out the sysex from AN-edit, but I am
> assuming that a bulk scene dump is being done.
>
> I can't find the status byte!
>
> In article <001801d41edb$2780a380$1112ff3e@paulloud>, loudpaul
> <loudpaul@...> writes
> >I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-an
card,
> >which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but can I F**k as
like
> >store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my smart media card, can
anyone

> >save me from bursting any more blood vessels.
> >................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........
> >
> >yours frustrated
> >
> >Loudy
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >Community email addresses:
> >  Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >  Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >  List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >Shortcut URL to this page:
> >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> See ya,
>
> Reggie
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Very interesting reply, to be honest i have thought about that myself quite
a few times, but I thought............surely yamaha would not bring out a
synth that ....woudn't sync properly.....have expansion boards that dont
marry to thier software..........or marry to the keyboard that it is
in.........but yes they did.
Pitty they didnt design something that all worked as 1, as I thought it
would when I bought it.
What  did you replace it with per chance?


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Whitehouse <rsw@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] how can AN-EXPERT file goto cs6x card?


> >At 10:06 PM 18/07/18 +0100, loudpaul wrote:
> >I am pissed off completely,  I have edited the voices of my plg150-an
> card, which is  in my cs6x, with the AN-EXPERT PC software, but can I F**k
> as like store it into the plg150 cards memory, or onto my smart media
card,
> can anyone save me from bursting any more blood vessels.
> >................Even yamaha tek support cannot tell me how........
> >
> >yours frustrated
> >Loudy
>
>
> You could always do what I did:  just sell the shit, get rid of it.   I
had
> a CS6x with a PLG150AN and a PLG150PF card.   What a friggin' headache.
> That's got to be one of poorest operating system and user interface
designs
> I've ever encountered.   Totally non-intuitive and non-musician-friendly.
> And I'm not a chimp, either - I am literate about synthesizers and
> computers.  I've been dealing with midi synths for almost 20 years, and I
> also work as a computer programmer.   I finally realized that I was
wasting
> my time on that shit, and needlessly frustrating myself.   I did myself a
> favour and got rid of the whole thing.   From now one, some of my primary
> rules are:  1) never buy a synth that needs expansion cards - if you're
not

> happy using it without expansions, don't buy it   2) avoid expansion cards
> - proceed with extreme caution   3)  proceed with extreme caution where
> Yamaha synths are concerned  4) make user-friendly operating system a
> higher priority when buying synths.
>
> Richard
>
> Please help stamp out velocity-switching.
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>