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I've had the same problem on an IBM PC. I traced it and as far as I can tell it is a weakness in the soundcard in my case. They are known to have a problem and I've had the same problem with my drum machine. Some places I visited mentioned a converter box that could solve the problem and it was named something like "opto-isolator".

I haven't fixed it yet on my machine.

Jim

                          James R. Acker
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----- Original Message ----- 
Fra: Bruce Wahler <bruce@...>
Til: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sendt: 19. august 2001 16:20
Emne: Re: [AN1x-list] Re: AN1x edit: synth to programme problems


All,

>Hi Jon ,
>When I replaced de MIDIMAN USB Midisport2x2  for a Emagic AMT8 al
>the problems were gone, and at this moment I use it with a Mac G4 MP OS 9.04,
>SoundDiver and a lot of stuff,no single problem.
>-Joop-

A shame about the MIDIsport on the Mac.  On the PC side of things, the 
MIDIMan gear is very stable; in fact I've found my MIDIsport 8x8 USB to be 
more stable than the (parallel port) MIDI Quest Note1 that I used for 
several years, and at least as stable as the joystick interface on most 
sound cards.

USB was supposed to be the great MAC-PC unifier, but it just doesn't seem 
to be happening.  Almost all the MIDI manufacturers seem to have great 
expertise in one side, much less in the other.  When I was shopping for a 
USB 8x8, the candidates boiled down to MIDIMan and MOTU, since Opcode's 
site clearly states that they don't support Win98SE or Win2K (!).

I checked the website, and the MOTU Windows USB drivers were listed as 
"coming soon".  I called MOTU support, and didn't get a good feeling about 
the situation, so I held off a bit.  After a second call, went with 
MIDIMan.  Good thing, too:  The WDM drivers were finally released on 
8/14/2001 -- a little more than a year after I bought my MIDIsport, and 
almost 16 months after I called MOTU!

So much for the "universal interface" ...

Regards,

-BW

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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "J Acker" <jacker@o...> wrote:
> I've had the same problem on an IBM PC. I traced it and as far as I can tell it is a weakness in the soundcard in my case. They are known to have a problem and I've had the same problem with my drum machine. Some places I visited mentioned a converter box that could solve the problem and it was named something like "opto-isolator".
> 
> I haven't fixed it yet on my machine.
> 
> Jim

If memory serves the person who suggested the 'opto-isolator' cable(?) 
was reasonably confident in the solution. I'm still of the opinion you 
should spend on a dedicated, reputable MIDI Interface.

BTW - Martin, Eric - this thread has really gone off into a couple of 
tangents :-) haha LOL ha ha Has any of this been of help? Did either of 
you get AN1xEdit to receive a transmission from your AN1x?!? 

Jon

> BTW - Martin, Eric - this thread has really gone off into a couple 
of 
> tangents :-) haha LOL ha ha Has any of this been of help? Did 
either of 
> you get AN1xEdit to receive a transmission from your AN1x?!? 

Well, I feel a bit foolish. I was working on a kind of chilled house 
track over the weekend, and tried to send a voice from the synth to 
the editor. Once again the "Receive error" came up, with the options 
of "Try again" and "Cancel". As usual I pressed "Try again" several 
times, just to see what happened, and, er, well, this time it worked. 
No idea why. Probably, in fact, just because I'd brought it up here. 
Like when you take your car to the garage because it's making a funny 
noise, except that when you get there the noise has stopped. Ho-hum.

Thanks to all concerned for the input,
Mart

this may or may not apply to your situation, but i found that requesting the 
dump from the synth too early would result in an error message, i would have 
to wait until the an1x finished the send before starting the request on the 
editor

>From: ginger@...
>Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: SV: [AN1x-list] Re: AN1x edit: synth to programme problems
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 06:18:50 -0000
>
> > BTW - Martin, Eric - this thread has really gone off into a couple
>of
> > tangents :-) haha LOL ha ha Has any of this been of help? Did
>either of
> > you get AN1xEdit to receive a transmission from your AN1x?!?
>
>Well, I feel a bit foolish. I was working on a kind of chilled house
>track over the weekend, and tried to send a voice from the synth to
>the editor. Once again the "Receive error" came up, with the options
>of "Try again" and "Cancel". As usual I pressed "Try again" several
>times, just to see what happened, and, er, well, this time it worked.
>No idea why. Probably, in fact, just because I'd brought it up here.
>Like when you take your car to the garage because it's making a funny
>noise, except that when you get there the noise has stopped. Ho-hum.
>
>Thanks to all concerned for the input,
>Mart
>


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> this may or may not apply to your situation, but i found that 
requesting the 
> dump from the synth too early would result in an error message, i 
would have 
> to wait until the an1x finished the send before starting the 
request on the 
> editor

Yeah, could be. I was requesting from the editor without even telling 
the synth to dump, so maybe that's what it was all about. This seems 
to work if you just tell AN1xEdit to keep trying every time the error 
message comes up, until eventually, hey presto, it works

Though I'll probably find that it's all gone to pot again next time I 
try it......

Mart

--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> > this may or may not apply to your situation, but i found that 
> requesting the 
> > dump from the synth too early would result in an error message, i 
> would have 
> > to wait until the an1x finished the send before starting the 
> request on the 
> > editor
> 
> Yeah, could be. I was requesting from the editor without even telling 
> the synth to dump, so maybe that's what it was all about. This seems 
> to work if you just tell AN1xEdit to keep trying every time the error 
> message comes up, until eventually, hey presto, it works
> 
> Though I'll probably find that it's all gone to pot again next time I 
> try it......
> 
> Mart

This still isn't right - neither of you should have to manually 
initiate a bulk dump from the AN1x for AN1xEdit to receive. I've NEVER 
done any such thing other than to a generic sysex bulk librarian. This 
implies the send dump command transmitted from AN1xEdit to your AN1x is 
not getting through...

Jon

you're right you only have to send the request from edit, but saving the 
voice on the synth first is still necessary

>From: jondl_2000@...
>Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: SV: [AN1x-list] Re: AN1x edit: synth to programme problems
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:18:42 -0000
>
>--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> > > this may or may not apply to your situation, but i found that
> > requesting the
> > > dump from the synth too early would result in an error message, i
> > would have
> > > to wait until the an1x finished the send before starting the
> > request on the
> > > editor
> >
> > Yeah, could be. I was requesting from the editor without even telling
> > the synth to dump, so maybe that's what it was all about. This seems
> > to work if you just tell AN1xEdit to keep trying every time the error
> > message comes up, until eventually, hey presto, it works
> >
> > Though I'll probably find that it's all gone to pot again next time I
> > try it......
> >
> > Mart
>
>This still isn't right - neither of you should have to manually
>initiate a bulk dump from the AN1x for AN1xEdit to receive. I've NEVER
>done any such thing other than to a generic sysex bulk librarian. This
>implies the send dump command transmitted from AN1xEdit to your AN1x is
>not getting through...
>
>Jon
>
>


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> This still isn't right - neither of you should have to manually 
> initiate a bulk dump from the AN1x for AN1xEdit to receive. I've 
NEVER 
> done any such thing other than to a generic sysex bulk librarian. 
This 
> implies the send dump command transmitted from AN1xEdit to your 
AN1x is 
> not getting through...

Which was, of course, my original problem.

I'd never tried dumping from a synth to a computer editor before I 
got the AN1x, so I had (or have) no idea what I was (am) talking 
about. Now it strikes me as logical that if you have an editor that 
can request data from a synth, then that's all you should have to do, 
i.e. request from the editor, not send from the synth, as it were. 
Because this didn't work at first, I was just trying anything, not 
knowing whether the fault was with me, the AN1x or the editor.

Anyway, like I say, it all seems to be working now, so I'm sorted.

Mart
(P.S. Nice to see someone else from Spain on the list, Jordi.)