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In a message dated 8/8/02 1:57:11 am, bruce@... writes:

>I'm about ready to throw in the towel on Win2K.  An1xEdit has never worked
>with the onboard (joystick) MIDI adapter.  Media player isn't fond of my
>Midiman 2x2 USB.  Now, Cakewalk has also stopped working with the USB 
adapter,
>even though I haven't changed anything.  All of these items were fine under
>Win98, and all of them still work on my '98 laptop.
>
>
Bruce,

There has been interesting threads on the DP list about people's experience 
with DP (Digital Performer) crashing frequently- and VERY VERY drastic 
measures and instructions have been suggested- but none of them have 
worked....apart from *one*. 

A single solution (and no I'm not going to lecture you about the iToilet:))) 
hahaha)- "Preferences"- well that's what they are called in Apple speak- the 
preferences of each bit of software on the (Apple)PC. I'm not familiar with 
PC's (Windows) but is there anyway that you can trash your individual 
software 'preferences'??- other than that, it looks like it's gonna be an 
upgrade?

Well..... the new Cubase SX (apparently) is very solid in XP- but as a Mac 
user, I'm only going on what friends/ the media have told me. I rekon 
anything's worth trying once- and if you don't like it (XP) you can always 
return to 98SE at a later date.

Good Luck!

Tom (UK)

Bruce Wahler wrote:
> All,
> 
> I'm about ready to throw in the towel on Win2K.  An1xEdit has never worked with the onboard (joystick) MIDI adapter.  Media player isn't fond of my Midiman 2x2 USB.  Now, Cakewalk has also stopped working with the USB adapter, even though I haven't changed anything.  All of these items were fine under Win98, and all of them still work on my '98 laptop.

Sounds more like driver problems to me than anything else. Forget about 
the joystick MIDI adapter: this list has many archived messages of 
people who can't get their el cheapo joystick MIDI adapter to work with 
AN1xEdit.

I don't know the quality of the MIDIman Windows 2000 drivers, but a 
quick search on the web reveals that many people have problems with 
MIDIman and/or USB and Windows 2000, and many don't. It's probably the 
MIDIman driver being fussy about your USB interface.

If Cakewalk was working before and now it isn't, there's something else 
wrong. There's no such thing as "I didn't change anything", but it's 
probably something that you wouldn't think would influence your USB 
interface.

> So, I'm debating:  Should I drop back to Win98SE, or plunge ahead into WinXP?  Is anyone out there using XP for music?  If so, how do you like it?  How stable is it?  I'm concerned about Win98's long-term future, and it doesn't handle my 1GB of RAM as well as '2K does.  OTOH, XP is based on 2K, which was based on NT, which never had great audio support.  Is XP any better?

XP is a polished version of 2000, which itself is a polished version of 
NT. But whereas drivers for 2000 are omnipresent for recent hardware, XP 
isn't quite there yet.

Another issue to consider is that Microsoft has already announced when 
it will stop supporting Windows 2000, never mind 98. So XP will be 
supported for another couple of years, probably one or two years more 
than 2000.

I would give 2000 a closer look, because I'm not convinced that the 
operating system is the cause of your problems.

> Oh, and please:  no "get a Mac," "I use BeOS," or "What about Linux?" answers.  I use my main PC for more than music, and I have almost $15K invested in Windows-based engineering development software for my main gig.  It's just not going to happen in the near term.

I fail to see why BeOS (which is dead, anyway) or Linux (which is 
promising, but not more than that) would stop you from using Windows, 
quite frankly. They don't bite one another (although Windows tries to).

But using your music computer for other purposes is usually not a very 
good idea. You can't tune a computer for two different tasks. You 
install something for development purposes, and Cakewalk breaks. If it 
is an option, use a different computer. Hey, it could be a Mac for all I 
know. :)

- Peter

Hi Peter,

>Sounds more like driver problems to me than anything else. Forget about 
>the joystick MIDI adapter: this list has many archived messages of 
>people who can't get their el cheapo joystick MIDI adapter to work with 
>AN1xEdit.

Actually, I was wrong:  AN1xEdit LIKES the joystick, and has never liked the Midiman.  (I have always been able to use the Midiman for patch dumps to Cakewalk, though.)

FWIW to others, I was able to get AN1xEdit and the Midiman to play today under Win2K by changing the app to Win98 compatibility mode.  I haven't fully rung it out, but at least it doesn't hang when I select the interface like before.

>I don't know the quality of the MIDIman Windows 2000 drivers, but a 
>quick search on the web reveals that many people have problems with 
>MIDIman and/or USB and Windows 2000, and many don't. It's probably the 
>MIDIman driver being fussy about your USB interface.
>
>If Cakewalk was working before and now it isn't, there's something else 
>wrong. There's no such thing as "I didn't change anything", but it's 
>probably something that you wouldn't think would influence your USB 
>interface.

Yeah, actually you're right.  I was having problems and did a complete (and painful) clean install under Win2K recently.  I didn't test Cakewalk extensively, but it did boot.  No other software was changed after that, but CW stopped working.  What I've come to find is that after the drivers are installed, CW will accept them for 3-4x, then stop working.  It doesn't matter whether I use the latest drivers, or one step back; same issues.  The sad part is that doing a clean install is supposed to fix things!  I have no way to return to the "dirty" system -- which worked just fine with CW and the Midiman -- except by accident.  :^(

>But using your music computer for other purposes is usually not a very 
>good idea. You can't tune a computer for two different tasks. You 
>install something for development purposes, and Cakewalk breaks. If it 
>is an option, use a different computer. Hey, it could be a Mac for all I 
>know. :)

Actually, I have a laptop 98 system that works fine for music.  I'm just one of these people who wants it all!  ;^)

Regards,

-BW

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Design Consultant
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> FWIW to others, I was able to get AN1xEdit and the Midiman to play today
under Win2K by changing the app to Win98 compatibility mode.  I haven't
fully rung it out, but at least it doesn't hang when I select the interface
like before.

Hey Bruce - what is "Win98 compatability mode"?  I don't have XP and am
considering it, but I'm using an excellent digital audio interface (Gadget
Labs 8/24) which is obsolete because the company went out of business.  The
drivers for 98 work great, but there's a lot of doubt about them working
under XP.  How do you invoke this "compatibility" mode?

Ed Edwards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Wahler" <bruce@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] OT: WinXP


> Hi Peter,
>
> >Sounds more like driver problems to me than anything else. Forget about
> >the joystick MIDI adapter: this list has many archived messages of
> >people who can't get their el cheapo joystick MIDI adapter to work with
> >AN1xEdit.
>
> Actually, I was wrong:  AN1xEdit LIKES the joystick, and has never liked
the Midiman.  (I have always been able to use the Midiman for patch dumps to
Cakewalk, though.)
>
>
> >I don't know the quality of the MIDIman Windows 2000 drivers, but a
> >quick search on the web reveals that many people have problems with
> >MIDIman and/or USB and Windows 2000, and many don't. It's probably the
> >MIDIman driver being fussy about your USB interface.
> >
> >If Cakewalk was working before and now it isn't, there's something else
> >wrong. There's no such thing as "I didn't change anything", but it's
> >probably something that you wouldn't think would influence your USB
> >interface.
>
> Yeah, actually you're right.  I was having problems and did a complete
(and painful) clean install under Win2K recently.  I didn't test Cakewalk
extensively, but it did boot.  No other software was changed after that, but
CW stopped working.  What I've come to find is that after the drivers are
installed, CW will accept them for 3-4x, then stop working.  It doesn't
matter whether I use the latest drivers, or one step back; same issues.  The
sad part is that doing a clean install is supposed to fix things!  I have no
way to return to the "dirty" system -- which worked just fine with CW and
the Midiman -- except by accident.  :^(
>
> >But using your music computer for other purposes is usually not a very
> >good idea. You can't tune a computer for two different tasks. You
> >install something for development purposes, and Cakewalk breaks. If it
> >is an option, use a different computer. Hey, it could be a Mac for all I
> >know. :)
>
> Actually, I have a laptop 98 system that works fine for music.  I'm just
one of these people who wants it all!  ;^)

>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Design Consultant
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Hi Ed,

You have to go to the shortcut and select Properties, the Compatibility.  The choices under Win2K are Win95, Win98, and NT4.  I believe that it's the same under WinXP; maybe there's even a Win2K selection???

At 09:44 PM 8/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>> FWIW to others, I was able to get AN1xEdit and the Midiman to play today
>under Win2K by changing the app to Win98 compatibility mode.  I haven't
>fully rung it out, but at least it doesn't hang when I select the interface
>like before.
>
>Hey Bruce - what is "Win98 compatability mode"?  I don't have XP and am
>considering it, but I'm using an excellent digital audio interface (Gadget
>Labs 8/24) which is obsolete because the company went out of business.  The
>drivers for 98 work great, but there's a lot of doubt about them working
>under XP.  How do you invoke this "compatibility" mode?

Regards,

-BW

--
Bruce Wahler
Design Consultant
Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
CloneWheel Support Group and HiNote moderator
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

This only works for programs, you won't be able to run win98-drivers on XP
using compatibility mode.

/Patrik

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Wahler" <bruce@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] OT: WinXP


> Hi Ed,
>
> You have to go to the shortcut and select Properties, the Compatibility.
The choices under Win2K are Win95, Win98, and NT4.  I believe that it's the
same under WinXP; maybe there's even a Win2K selection???
>
> At 09:44 PM 8/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >> FWIW to others, I was able to get AN1xEdit and the Midiman to play
today
> >under Win2K by changing the app to Win98 compatibility mode.  I haven't
> >fully rung it out, but at least it doesn't hang when I select the
interface
> >like before.
> >
> >Hey Bruce - what is "Win98 compatability mode"?  I don't have XP and am
> >considering it, but I'm using an excellent digital audio interface
(Gadget
> >Labs 8/24) which is obsolete because the company went out of business.
The

> >drivers for 98 work great, but there's a lot of doubt about them working
> >under XP.  How do you invoke this "compatibility" mode?
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Design Consultant
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Hello,

i have also switched form 98 SE to XP some time ago 
and i have a midiman audiophile (midiman driver) card and a Hoontech 
YMF744 (WDM windows XP driver) that run on paralell and then i go 
out to a roland a880 close to the PC and then in the rack to a KMX16 
where all my synths are connected :-) 

both works very well the midi is faster on the midiman
i use an1xedit  Sdiver 3.04 logic 4.82 cakewalk soundforge cooledit pro 
and many others audio applications wiht no problems 

98 SE was ok but FAT was a pain and occasionaly i had 
frozen tasks and also RAM stealing  
to be fair the NTFS file system and the task manager 
control really make the difference on w2k and XP not to mention 
better RAM handling 

i have w2k at work since many years and now XP home since 8 mounths 
they really never crashed ! 
 
maybe is the USB midiman driver but i have also a parallel MIDI 
interface from Midiman on a small notebook where i also use an1x edit 
and works very well too ! 


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