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>   Thanks for the reply(s). I"ve read all the user reviews
> (harmonycentral, sonicstae,ect..)and specs more than once.  It's just 
> such a tough decision.  I'm leaning twords an1x,k5000s,or one of the 
> korg MOSS boards. Oh and Jon, I didn't know pepole still paid for 
> soft.  needfulthingzs.com thanks.

And I didn't know that software developers and programmers work for free...
Nice to know that you one of those because of whom we see NO future Logic version on PC.

Good luck , ****..

Ray.
Digital Illusions.





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> >   Thanks for the reply(s). I"ve read all the user reviews
> > (harmonycentral, sonicstae,ect..)and specs more than once.  It's just 
> > such a tough decision.  I'm leaning twords an1x,k5000s,or one of the 
> > korg MOSS boards. 


You're comparing Apples to Oranges - none of those boards (AN1x, K5Ks, or MOSS) 
are remotely similar. The simplest thing you could do is pick up a cheap MIDI 
Controller from the likes of M-Audio/Evolution or Edirol for a couple hundred bucks.

> Oh and Jon, I didn't know pepole still paid for 
> > soft.  

Responsible individuals do - anyhting else is nothing more than theft. No excuse for 
it.


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "RayMaxer \(Digital Illusions\)" <digil@d...> 
wrote:
> 
> > 
> And I didn't know that software developers and programmers work for free...
> Nice to know that you one of those because of whom we see NO future Logic 
version on PC.
> 

Probably a lot of truth in Ray's statement :-/

> Good luck , ****..
> 
> Ray.
> Digital Illusions.
> 

Jon

RayMaxer (Digital Illusions) wrote:

> And I didn't know that software developers and programmers work for free...
> Nice to know that you one of those because of whom we see NO future Logic version on PC.

While I totally agree on the first bit - I earn a living writing 
software, thank you very much - the second part is, well, ludicrous. It 
was a move by Apple to decrease the PC music software market.

- Peter

Peter, I was speaking in general...
Place/remember (instead of Logic) any other plugin / software that is built for Mac or TDM , but not for PC or native system...  (like WaveStation soft.synth from Korg which was stopped afaik) I am sure piracy is a PART of a reason for many decisions...

P.S. about logic - who knows if (much more active) piracy on PC was again one of the reasons for Emagic to sell to Apple.. so there is a sense in what I've said, i think...  but that's not much of a point... 

Ray.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Korsten 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: young blood 32 (the end is the begining is the end)


  RayMaxer (Digital Illusions) wrote:

  > And I didn't know that software developers and programmers work for free...
  > Nice to know that you one of those because of whom we see NO future Logic version on PC.

  While I totally agree on the first bit - I earn a living writing 
  software, thank you very much - the second part is, well, ludicrous. It 
  was a move by Apple to decrease the PC music software market.

  - Peter



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>Peter, I was speaking in general...
>Place/remember (instead of Logic) any other plugin / software that 
>is built for Mac or TDM , but not for PC or native system...  (like 
>WaveStation soft.synth from Korg which was stopped afaik) I am sure 
>piracy is a PART of a reason for many decisions...

You know, it'll be funny as heck if everyone stops waiting for those 
Korg programs and they end up releasing them at NAMM next month. I'll 
sure laugh, since I was one of the ones spreading the news that it 
wasn't going to happen. Ha ha urgh ha.

mike

-- 
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materialism with the benefits of neither. But that's just me."(walters)
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>Peter, I was speaking in general...
  >Place/remember (instead of Logic) any other plugin / software that 
  >is built for Mac or TDM , but not for PC or native system...  (like 
  >WaveStation soft.synth from Korg which was stopped afaik) I am sure 
  >piracy is a PART of a reason for many decisions...

  You know, it'll be funny as heck if everyone stops waiting for those 
  Korg programs and they end up releasing them at NAMM next month. I'll 
  sure laugh, since I was one of the ones spreading the news that it 
  wasn't going to happen. Ha ha urgh ha.

  mike

Yeah , I know - you are a major part of this weird marketing campaign !.. 
;-)

Ray.
Digital Illusions.


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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "RayMaxer \(Digital Illusions\)"
<digil@d...> wrote:
> 
> And I didn't know that software developers and programmers work for
free...

Yeah, it's not like they give away whole operating systems for free
these days...

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > Oh and Jon, I didn't know pepole still paid for 
> > > soft.  
> 
> Responsible individuals do - anyhting else is nothing more 
> than theft. 

This argument is easily refuted. Theft and copyright infringement are
legally different (IANAL though). If you want to make a moral
argument, you will have to justify the business practices of the
software industry. Good luck.

For the record, copyright infringement is illegal and I don't
encourage anyone to break the law.

> No excuse for it.

I'm using a Mozilla Web browser to type this message. Its programmers
offer it as a free download. Since I didn't pay for it, am I thief by
your reasoning?

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "riotofjoy" <riotofjoy@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > Oh and Jon, I didn't know pepole still paid for 
> > > > soft.  
> > 
> > Responsible individuals do - anyhting else is nothing more 
> > than theft. 
> 
> This argument is easily refuted.

No, it's not. It's simply convienant to ignore.

There are plenty of good, freeware applications available for download. All of the 
application listed in the original post are commercial products. If the user didn't 
purchase a license for the software then what else would you call it? Sorry, no way 
around it: theft.

 Theft and copyright infringement are
> legally different (IANAL though). If you want to make a moral
> argument, you will have to justify the business practices of the
> software industry. Good luck.
> 

So that's makes it alright to illegally download pirated software? Nonsense, IMO.

> For the record, copyright infringement is illegal and I don't
> encourage anyone to break the law.
> 
> > No excuse for it.
> 
> I'm using a Mozilla Web browser to type this message. Its programmers
> offer it as a free download. Since I didn't pay for it, am I thief by
> your reasoning?

You're joking right? Do you understand this conversation is in regards to the license 
terms of commercial software not freeware? There *is* a difference.

Peter, is right - this conversation is getting out of hand - if anybody would like to 
continue let's take it offline...

Jon