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re: modwheels

re: modwheels

2005-03-28 by spaceanimals

CC#1 is not a modwheel CC. Rather the modwheel is usually assigned to 
send CC#1 data.

CC#1 controls modulation. Only modulation.If your modwheel is assigned 
to send CC#1 it will send modulation data. Only modulation data. 

The AN200 will respond to modulation data even if everything is zeroed 
out because the modulation data is coming from the controller.Hence 
the AN200 is not generating any modulation data but it is receiving 
modulation data, and therefore modulating.

To have the modwheel control something else, you have to change the 
default CC# for the modwheel.The AN200 should have a MIDI chart 
explaining what each CC# controls.

Rainbow Jimmy

Re: modwheels

2005-03-28 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "spaceanimals" <rainbowjimmy@s...> wrote:
> 
> CC#1 is not a modwheel CC. Rather the modwheel is usually assigned to 
> send CC#1 data.

True, more often then not, because it is a generally accepted standard that CC#1 is 
assigned to MW just as CC#7 is often assigned to FV - but it doesn't HAVE to be. 

 
> CC#1 controls modulation. Only modulation.If your modwheel is assigned 
> to send CC#1 it will send modulation data. Only modulation data. 

Not entirely accurate as ANY MIDI CC may control modulation.


> 
> The AN200 will respond to modulation data even if everything is zeroed 
> out because the modulation data is coming from the controller.Hence 
> the AN200 is not generating any modulation data but it is receiving 
> modulation data, and therefore modulating.

This also is not entirely correct. If the ModWheel, as in your example - CC#1, is not 
assigned a Parameter in the CtrlMatrix it should NOT have any affect. This is how it works 
on the AN1x, but we are at a loss to explain why it should differ on the AN200.

> 
> To have the modwheel control something else, you have to change the 
> default CC# for the modwheel.

No, you would have to change the Parameter assigned to MW in the CtrlMatrix.


As I'm writing this reply I'm running AN Expert Editor (under Classic in OS X) and I see 
under for Common [DETAIL] which invokes the 'Detail Parameter' window (also accessible 
from the Ctrl Matrix [DETAIL] button) there is a block of parameters for LFO Assign Group 
which allows for five different options:

LFO1(All)
LFO1(VCO1,VCO2,VCA) - LFO2(VCF)
LFO1(VCO1,VCO2) - LFO2(VCA,VCF)
LFO1(VCO1) - LFO2(VCO2,VCA,VCF)
LFO2(All)

and then there are parameters for LFO Delay , Key On Reset, and Sync Pmod Sw. From the 
AN Expert Editor manual:

"This determines the destination choices for the LFO 1 and LFO 2 modulation.  When one 
of the "(All)" settings is selected, all of the available destinations (VCO1, VCO2, VCA, and 
VCF) are grouped to the selected LFO, 1 or 2.  The LFO blocks in the main panel control 
automatically change when this parameter is set.  The basic parameters of Wave and Speed 
(as well as the Detail page) remain intact for both LFOs, no matter what setting is made 
here."

It seems to me this setting may be contributing to the problem.

Furthermore info:

"The control change numbers for AN AC 1-4 can be set with the AN Native parameters (on 
the panel of the "mother" device).  Each Preset Voice has four pre-assigned control change 
numbers using this function (refer to the AN Voice List in the PLG150-AN Owner's 
Manual)." 

and the manual continues:

" The Control Change numbers for the Mod Wheel, Foot Volume, Foot Control, Footswitch, 
Ribbon Controller-X, Ribbon Controller-Z and AN AC 5-8 can be set from the AN1x 
System Parameters (refer to the MIDI Data Format section in the PLG150-AN Owner's 
Manual)."

I'll hit the manual again with a fresh set of eyes once I've had some sleep ;-)

Jon

Re: [AN1x] re: modwheels

2005-03-29 by Summa

Hi Jimmy,

my Keyboards (the both I tested: microKorg and Casio VZ) aren't sending unusual 
"pitch changing, vibrato creating" data to the AN200 and why would changing the 
AN200 LFO speed affect this. It's simple CC#1 DATA the mod-wheel is sending, 
nothing else and I know how to read a MIDI Implementation Chart...
I'm using MIDI capable Synthesizers for 26 years now, my other 15 synths react on 
MOD-Wheel signals as programmed, there's either a global setting (for the older 
ones) or a patch setting to change their behavior...
Changing the CC number of the Mod-Wheel isn't possible for most of the Keyboards 
I have. Only master/controller Keyboards can do that. 
Just bevlieve me that I only want the AN200 to do things that most of my most of 
my newer synths are capable too... 


...Summa
 



On 28 Mar 2005 at 13:52, spaceanimals wrote:

> 
> 
> CC#1 is not a modwheel CC. Rather the modwheel is usually assigned to
> send CC#1 data.
> CC#1 controls modulation. Only modulation.If your modwheel is assigned
> to send CC#1 it will send modulation data. Only modulation data. 
> 
> The AN200 will respond to modulation data even if everything is zeroed
> out because the modulation data is coming from the controller.Hence
> the AN200 is not generating any modulation data but it is receiving
> modulation data, and therefore modulating.
> 
> To have the modwheel control something else, you have to change the
> default CC# for the modwheel.The AN200 should have a MIDI chart
> explaining what each CC# controls.
> 
> Rainbow Jimmy
> 
> 
> 
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