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Getting ready for live gig, help!

Getting ready for live gig, help!

2005-08-22 by a_1x_dude

Hi everyone.

 I am a first time, two week old, an1x owner :) 

 first time synth (I am a guitar-man) - and I've always wanted a moog 
or a juno... blahh!! this baby ROCKS BIG! Plus it is a great midi 
keyboard, the aftertouch is lovely. wow...

 sorry for stating the obvious. Just that I am very VERY pleased.

 I went ahead a leeched all your banks, tested practically every 
voice available. This was to get aquainted with the an1x, the editor, 
plus get sounds for an upcoming gig!

 I will soon refer to it as OUR list bank, because as soon as 
possible, I too will share my own coockings. I can just spend HOURS 
jaming alone.

 But I need your help. Please bear in mind I am a guitarist, first 
time ever in contact with a keyboard. I have read and read and read, 
but holidays are over, and have no time to investigate on my own!

 1 - Is it possible to morph or pre-load one sound into another? What 
I would need is to eliminate (if possible) the silent time between 
one one voice to another. like, from a crazy thumping lead to a 
sparkling space bubble fx .. but, simply holding the footswitch, 
choosing the preset and hiting Y just mutes it...

 2 - I undertand the concept of the scenes, but is it possible to 
have to entirely different sounds on each scene, like the sounds I 
tried to explain before? or are the scenes mere variations of the 
same original sound? I am asking this because I quite honestly have 
never been able to listens to a decent scene change that drastically 
modified the identity of the first. Let me explain. Sorry for not 
being quite clear, still have to get aquainted with synth-lingo ;)

 I read scene 1 can morph to scene 2, or just jump strainght one to 
another, or used both at the same time. Tried it, true, more or 
less... I have been through gzillions of sounds, and none perfectly 
morphed between scenes, there were always slight reminiscences of the 
previous sound, and comparing that to the sound on the individual 
scene higlighted (intead of both on, one at a time) - the difference 
seems to be even higher! 


 3 - When I load up a patch and start fidgeting with the knobs, 90% 
of the time I get on the screen, for example

  42: - - - - - - - 
    :   90

Something like that. and does nothing. Have to manually choose what I 
want. ok, so I got to assign it to a knob. Cool. How? I just cant 
figure it out

 But what puzzles me is that on that same patch/voice, with the same 
lcd layout but on a different knob, a not too intense but quite 
present ressonace sweep is obtained! Shouldn't it say 

 46: Ressonance
   :   46 (whatever)

 so as to show that the knob is assigned to whatever parameter?

 Shouldnt it just be silent?

 4 - ok, so I am in a middle of a song right, and there is this part 
where everyone is going to freak out sonicly. On some voices, I grab 
a knob and tweak away really cool, but sometimes, when I press VCF 
and go to, lets say, the feedback or ressonance or whatever, the 
slightest twist to the left or right instantly mutes the sound (or 
goes complete bonkers, or very high shreaks) because the knob before 
being touched was in a position where the filter blocks the sound, 
then I keep moving and the voice appears again and I now know where 
NOT to go with the knob sweep. How to I proceed live? So I can create 
AND repeat something audible and not just squizofrenic synth mumbo 
jumbo at random? A piece o paper with the setting and before playing 
ajust the knobs? on all parameters?! on all voices? isn't that just a 
hell of a lot of work? I mean, because to find out the exact position 
of each filter as to retain the original sound is almost impossible, 
because what I end up doing in just steer away from the original 
sound...

 Damn, I am reading myself and I am getting confused. I a so sorry 
for not being clearer. Anyway, sorry for the lenghty post, but I am 
quite in a jam, the gig is coming up, I am the guy dealing with 
EVERYTHING... eeek!! :)

 thanks! Any suggestions highly appreciated!

RE: [AN1x] Getting ready for live gig, help!

2005-08-23 by Ed Edwards

OK, Mr. Dude,

So far, you've received advice from two of our most knowledgeable and active
list members.  If I might venture into what Jim and Jim Rainbow have said, here
are a few ideas:

Referring to your numbered questions below -

1. Morphing is a concept pulled from the visual world into the audio.  What
Yamahaha was doing was enabling the change of sounds via a variable controller
(wheel, knob or pedal) so that the parameters from one sound would gradually
change to that of another.  Let's go to the visual world for an example.  So
you've got a picture of a gorilla and a picture of Paris Hilton.  First you have
to use similar points in the visual range to morph between.  Hopefully you've
got a portrait of each, or a full picture.  If not, the morph won't work well.
Remember Michael Jackson's amazing "Black or White" video?  Each morph was a
portrait.  The morph points were strategically placed at the eye pupils, outline
of the head, chin, jaw, hair, neck and chest.  So when the face went from one to
another the morphing software was able to link similar points together.  To be
able to morph from a portrait to a standing picture would have required that the
person's chin grow legs, a body, feet and arms and just wouldn't work very well.
Having similar starting points makes morphing work.   So too with the audio
parameters in the AN1x.  Starting with a sound that makes use of advanced
functions such as FM and trying to morph it into a simpler sound that is
something like subtractive synthesis of a square wave won't work all that well.
You've got to have similarities to morph between.  Remember, morphing is done
between Scenes.  Two scenes are stored in each patch.  They can be as different
as a gorilla and a banana.  Remember, there are 2 oscillators in each scene.
One of the most common morphing mistakes is to have the oscillators in different
ranges (out of tune, +12, -24, etc.) from each other.  When the controller is
moved, the software has to move the pitch of the oscillator up or down to the
other.  A lot of times it sounds like crap.  Try to match the pitch of each
oscillator to the same range if you want to morph.

2.  See above.

3.  Jim Acker covered this.  Knob assignment is done in the Matrix section.

4.  You need to experiment and learn which parameters are effective.  As a
guitarist, would you lean down and turn up the feedback control on your chorus
pedal during a ballad?  Probably not because it would begin to howl and whoop.
Ya gots ta get the groove thang going on it, baby...!

Rainbow Jim is referring to making a "patch chain" where you place the sounds in
sequential order and increment them as you need them live.  This can also be
assigned to a pedal switch.

I enjoyed Jim Acker's statement "it takes time".  You've entered the nebulous
world of synth programming.

May the spirit of Bob Moog live on in all who search for the elusive tweak and
the most excellent sound.

Ed Edwards
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of a_1x_dude
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:26 PM
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x] Getting ready for live gig, help!
>
>
>
>  Hi everyone.
>
>  I am a first time, two week old, an1x owner :)
>
>  first time synth (I am a guitar-man) - and I've always wanted a moog
> or a juno... blahh!! this baby ROCKS BIG! Plus it is a great midi
> keyboard, the aftertouch is lovely. wow...
>
>  sorry for stating the obvious. Just that I am very VERY pleased.
>
>  I went ahead a leeched all your banks, tested practically every
> voice available. This was to get aquainted with the an1x, the editor,
> plus get sounds for an upcoming gig!
>
>  I will soon refer to it as OUR list bank, because as soon as
> possible, I too will share my own coockings. I can just spend HOURS
> jaming alone.
>
>  But I need your help. Please bear in mind I am a guitarist, first
> time ever in contact with a keyboard. I have read and read and read,
> but holidays are over, and have no time to investigate on my own!
>
>  1 - Is it possible to morph or pre-load one sound into another? What
> I would need is to eliminate (if possible) the silent time between
> one one voice to another. like, from a crazy thumping lead to a
> sparkling space bubble fx .. but, simply holding the footswitch,
> choosing the preset and hiting Y just mutes it...
>
>  2 - I undertand the concept of the scenes, but is it possible to
> have to entirely different sounds on each scene, like the sounds I
> tried to explain before? or are the scenes mere variations of the
> same original sound? I am asking this because I quite honestly have
> never been able to listens to a decent scene change that drastically
> modified the identity of the first. Let me explain. Sorry for not
> being quite clear, still have to get aquainted with synth-lingo ;)
>
>  I read scene 1 can morph to scene 2, or just jump strainght one to
> another, or used both at the same time. Tried it, true, more or
> less... I have been through gzillions of sounds, and none perfectly
> morphed between scenes, there were always slight reminiscences of the
> previous sound, and comparing that to the sound on the individual
> scene higlighted (intead of both on, one at a time) - the difference
> seems to be even higher!
>
>
>  3 - When I load up a patch and start fidgeting with the knobs, 90%
> of the time I get on the screen, for example
>
>   42: - - - - - - -
>     :   90
>
> Something like that. and does nothing. Have to manually choose what I
> want. ok, so I got to assign it to a knob. Cool. How? I just cant
> figure it out
>
>  But what puzzles me is that on that same patch/voice, with the same
> lcd layout but on a different knob, a not too intense but quite
> present ressonace sweep is obtained! Shouldn't it say
>
>  46: Ressonance
>    :   46 (whatever)
>
>  so as to show that the knob is assigned to whatever parameter?
>
>  Shouldnt it just be silent?
>
>  4 - ok, so I am in a middle of a song right, and there is this part
> where everyone is going to freak out sonicly. On some voices, I grab
> a knob and tweak away really cool, but sometimes, when I press VCF
> and go to, lets say, the feedback or ressonance or whatever, the
> slightest twist to the left or right instantly mutes the sound (or
> goes complete bonkers, or very high shreaks) because the knob before
> being touched was in a position where the filter blocks the sound,
> then I keep moving and the voice appears again and I now know where
> NOT to go with the knob sweep. How to I proceed live? So I can create
> AND repeat something audible and not just squizofrenic synth mumbo
> jumbo at random? A piece o paper with the setting and before playing
> ajust the knobs? on all parameters?! on all voices? isn't that just a
> hell of a lot of work? I mean, because to find out the exact position
> of each filter as to retain the original sound is almost impossible,
> because what I end up doing in just steer away from the original
> sound...
>
>  Damn, I am reading myself and I am getting confused. I a so sorry
> for not being clearer. Anyway, sorry for the lenghty post, but I am
> quite in a jam, the gig is coming up, I am the guy dealing with
> EVERYTHING... eeek!! :)
>
>  thanks! Any suggestions highly appreciated!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] Getting ready for live gig, help!

2005-08-23 by a_1x_dude

ARG!!

 I know! As I got home I blushed with shame. I remembered as an 
expert on a totally diferent field forum... when people came in a 
spilled their hearts out. hehe, I could smell their enthusiasm as I 
know you did mine. I promiss to take a bath tomorrow... or the next ;)

Sorry for the anxious driven "help!" post guys! The thing is, it is 
actually a TOUGH job being the frontman, manager, techy dude, 
composer and lyricist, arranger, stage manager and anything else you 
might imagine bla bla bla and fan club (lol) all at once... plus, 
full tme job, another band and last year psychology graduate!

 Some times I oveload in craziness

  And the thing is, my ISP cut my home connection, and at work it is 
a RARE privilage to actually be able to logo on, and when I do, I 
never know for how long 'till I'm kicked out! For instance, I had no 
lunch today to be able to be here. So when I touched the keyboard 
yesterday, I felt like a Ymgwie Malmsteen (?) super charging an 
alphabet super solo! I spilled everything I could remember before 
been thrown out!

 I have the manual, not the quick guide, but most of the lingo is 
strange and new to me, and I am LOVING the process and the scratching 
of my head. I do grasp it, baby steps, and by the minute I upgrade. 
But I've been give a real chance to shine with my band, very short 
notice and soon, invested all I had on the keyboard to pump our 
sound, came in 3 weeks late, and its way too much to deal with (and I 
am not including the an1x here...)... so my dispair was apparant.

 I have the editor and have made a sequence-order voice assignment to 
the bank, but there is still the mute. but I will eventually be 
creative to go round this. I have to print the pdf manual and get it 
near the keyboard for hands on practice.

 Thank you Jim and Rainbow Jimmy!

 And special thanks to Ed for the morphing explanation. It was 
fantastically helpfull and insightfull.

 cheers!

 El dude

 Ps: even still, everyone else is still invited to give their 2 cents 
worth... thanks!

 



--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
wrote:
> OK, Mr. Dude,
> 
> So far, you've received advice from two of our most knowledgeable 
and active
> list members.  If I might venture into what Jim and Jim Rainbow 
have said, here
> are a few ideas:
> 
> Referring to your numbered questions below -
> 
> 1. Morphing is a concept pulled from the visual world into the 
audio.  What
> Yamahaha was doing was enabling the change of sounds via a variable 
controller
> (wheel, knob or pedal) so that the parameters from one sound would 
gradually
> change to that of another.  Let's go to the visual world for an 
example.  So
> you've got a picture of a gorilla and a picture of Paris Hilton.  
First you have
> to use similar points in the visual range to morph between.  
Hopefully you've
> got a portrait of each, or a full picture.  If not, the morph won't 
work well.
> Remember Michael Jackson's amazing "Black or White" video?  Each 
morph was a
> portrait.  The morph points were strategically placed at the eye 
pupils, outline
> of the head, chin, jaw, hair, neck and chest.  So when the face 
went from one to
> another the morphing software was able to link similar points 
together.  To be
> able to morph from a portrait to a standing picture would have 
required that the
> person's chin grow legs, a body, feet and arms and just wouldn't 
work very well.
> Having similar starting points makes morphing work.   So too with 
the audio
> parameters in the AN1x.  Starting with a sound that makes use of 
advanced
> functions such as FM and trying to morph it into a simpler sound 
that is
> something like subtractive synthesis of a square wave won't work 
all that well.
> You've got to have similarities to morph between.  Remember, 
morphing is done
> between Scenes.  Two scenes are stored in each patch.  They can be 
as different
> as a gorilla and a banana.  Remember, there are 2 oscillators in 
each scene.
> One of the most common morphing mistakes is to have the oscillators 
in different
> ranges (out of tune, +12, -24, etc.) from each other.  When the 
controller is
> moved, the software has to move the pitch of the oscillator up or 
down to the
> other.  A lot of times it sounds like crap.  Try to match the pitch 
of each
> oscillator to the same range if you want to morph.
> 
> 2.  See above.
> 
> 3.  Jim Acker covered this.  Knob assignment is done in the Matrix 
section.
> 
> 4.  You need to experiment and learn which parameters are 
effective.  As a
> guitarist, would you lean down and turn up the feedback control on 
your chorus
> pedal during a ballad?  Probably not because it would begin to howl 
and whoop.
> Ya gots ta get the groove thang going on it, baby...!
> 
> Rainbow Jim is referring to making a "patch chain" where you place 
the sounds in
> sequential order and increment them as you need them live.  This 
can also be
> assigned to a pedal switch.
> 
> I enjoyed Jim Acker's statement "it takes time".  You've entered 
the nebulous
> world of synth programming.
> 
> May the spirit of Bob Moog live on in all who search for the 
elusive tweak and
> the most excellent sound.
> 
> Ed Edwards
> Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel  »»»»Retro-Progressive Rock««««
> http://www.ezekielswheel.com
> http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel
> http://www.headholemines.blogspot.com
> °·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com]
On
> > Behalf Of a_1x_dude
> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:26 PM
> > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AN1x] Getting ready for live gig, help!
> >
> >
> >
> >  Hi everyone.
> >
> >  I am a first time, two week old, an1x owner :)
> >
> >  first time synth (I am a guitar-man) - and I've always wanted a 
moog
> > or a juno... blahh!! this baby ROCKS BIG! Plus it is a great midi
> > keyboard, the aftertouch is lovely. wow...
> >
> >  sorry for stating the obvious. Just that I am very VERY pleased.
> >
> >  I went ahead a leeched all your banks, tested practically every
> > voice available. This was to get aquainted with the an1x, the 
editor,
> > plus get sounds for an upcoming gig!
> >
> >  I will soon refer to it as OUR list bank, because as soon as
> > possible, I too will share my own coockings. I can just spend 
HOURS
> > jaming alone.
> >
> >  But I need your help. Please bear in mind I am a guitarist, first
> > time ever in contact with a keyboard. I have read and read and 
read,
> > but holidays are over, and have no time to investigate on my own!
> >
> >  1 - Is it possible to morph or pre-load one sound into another? 
What
> > I would need is to eliminate (if possible) the silent time between
> > one one voice to another. like, from a crazy thumping lead to a
> > sparkling space bubble fx .. but, simply holding the footswitch,
> > choosing the preset and hiting Y just mutes it...
> >
> >  2 - I undertand the concept of the scenes, but is it possible to
> > have to entirely different sounds on each scene, like the sounds I
> > tried to explain before? or are the scenes mere variations of the
> > same original sound? I am asking this because I quite honestly 
have
> > never been able to listens to a decent scene change that 
drastically
> > modified the identity of the first. Let me explain. Sorry for not
> > being quite clear, still have to get aquainted with synth-lingo ;)
> >
> >  I read scene 1 can morph to scene 2, or just jump strainght one 
to
> > another, or used both at the same time. Tried it, true, more or
> > less... I have been through gzillions of sounds, and none 
perfectly
> > morphed between scenes, there were always slight reminiscences of 
the
> > previous sound, and comparing that to the sound on the individual
> > scene higlighted (intead of both on, one at a time) - the 
difference
> > seems to be even higher!
> >
> >
> >  3 - When I load up a patch and start fidgeting with the knobs, 
90%
> > of the time I get on the screen, for example
> >
> >   42: - - - - - - -
> >     :   90
> >
> > Something like that. and does nothing. Have to manually choose 
what I
> > want. ok, so I got to assign it to a knob. Cool. How? I just cant
> > figure it out
> >
> >  But what puzzles me is that on that same patch/voice, with the 
same
> > lcd layout but on a different knob, a not too intense but quite
> > present ressonace sweep is obtained! Shouldn't it say
> >
> >  46: Ressonance
> >    :   46 (whatever)
> >
> >  so as to show that the knob is assigned to whatever parameter?
> >
> >  Shouldnt it just be silent?
> >
> >  4 - ok, so I am in a middle of a song right, and there is this 
part
> > where everyone is going to freak out sonicly. On some voices, I 
grab
> > a knob and tweak away really cool, but sometimes, when I press VCF
> > and go to, lets say, the feedback or ressonance or whatever, the
> > slightest twist to the left or right instantly mutes the sound (or
> > goes complete bonkers, or very high shreaks) because the knob 
before
> > being touched was in a position where the filter blocks the sound,
> > then I keep moving and the voice appears again and I now know 
where
> > NOT to go with the knob sweep. How to I proceed live? So I can 
create
> > AND repeat something audible and not just squizofrenic synth mumbo
> > jumbo at random? A piece o paper with the setting and before 
playing
> > ajust the knobs? on all parameters?! on all voices? isn't that 
just a
> > hell of a lot of work? I mean, because to find out the exact 
position
> > of each filter as to retain the original sound is almost 
impossible,
> > because what I end up doing in just steer away from the original
> > sound...
> >
> >  Damn, I am reading myself and I am getting confused. I a so sorry
> > for not being clearer. Anyway, sorry for the lenghty post, but I 
am
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> > quite in a jam, the gig is coming up, I am the guy dealing with
> > EVERYTHING... eeek!! :)
> >
> >  thanks! Any suggestions highly appreciated!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Community email addresses:
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> >   List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Shortcut URL to this page:
> >    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
> >
> > The AN1x Control Synthesizer FAQ::
> >   http://www.geocities.com/jondl_2000/an1x_faq/an1x_faq_toc.htm
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