AVR-Chat

I prefer the idea of using the Pic because I was around at the time of it's
release, and really applaud the idea on focusing on selling chips, rather
than trying the stiff the customer with high priced tools.

So I think there is quite a bit of loyalty/allegiance to Microchip stuff. If
only they got rid of that stupid paging system, entirely!
But I always thought it was dumb too, that the Atmel chip had to be running
with a crystal in order to program it.

Anyway, with the newer rave generation(age) and a proliferation of low cost
tools, choice of micro today is essentially based on price/performance.

I have not looked too hard, but I think that All chips that come out today
should be hardwire micro-coded to use the USB for programming/diagnostics
without affecting the chip architecture.

Roland



2009/12/21 leon Heller <leon355@btinternet.com>

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave McLaughlin" <dave_mclaughlin@nerdshack.com<dave_mclaughlin%40nerdshack.com>
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> To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] magazine
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> > Hi Brian,
> >
> >
> >
> > I started off with the PIC myself. I chose it because I could buy a cheap
> > starter kit and start programming it easily. I then started using it in
> my
> > work place and we purchased an ICE for it. For hobby use I was finding
> > debugging a major issue without the ICE and I started to look around for
> > something else. We had been using the National Semi COP8 and that had a
> > cheap emulator but the cost of the compiler put me off of it. I then
> > discovered the AT902313 and I found that I could by a cheapish emulator,
> > the
> > ICE200 and it could be used with the larger IC's like the 8515 at the
> > time.
> > I then progressed to the Mega devices and bought the JTAG ICE and then
> > finally the JTAG ICE Mk II and have never looked back. If you use the AVR
> > devices without the ICE, then you will not want to do debugging without
> > one
> > after you have. I know a lot of guys who programme without and put in
> > things
> > like toggling IO pins to show position of code but when you want to check
> > the value of a variable and don't have a STDIO to print to, you will soon
> > see what I mean. What I am trying to say is that the AVR has some
> > excellent
> > priced emulation tools that cover more devices than the PIC does.
>
> That's not actually true. The $35 PICkit 2 programs and debugs all
> Microchip
> devcies except the PIC32.
>
> Leon
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