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I can only say that I have had products with basic 8051
micros that failed.
I have also had ones with switching power supplies fail.
 Power consumption is not a good indicator.

I would NOT use UL as a FCC testing lab. ETL I don;t know
about. There is a group of test houses in the Pacific NW
and N. California that I do trust. I have worked with them
for over 15 years on both FCC and CE testing.

Jim


On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:00:32 -0400
 "Roy E. Burrage" <RBurrage@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Have you spoken with the FCC recently Jim?  I spoke with
> them a couple 
> of years ago and with today's electronics being so low
> power they allow 
> some producers and manufacturers to do self
> certification...or so I was 
> told.  It seems to depend on the application...i.e. if
> it's connected to 
> a telephone line, can cause interference with other
> equipment, the 
> product's environment, and so forth.
> 
> The representative I spoke with said the gotcha is that
> if you certify 
> that it meets their requirements and your product does
> not, open your 
> wallet...or perhaps the better thing to do would be to
> just give them 
> your wallet.
> 
> The best thing for Don to do would be to contact the FCC
> directly.  That 
> way he doesn't depend on interpretation.  Testing labs,
> UL and ETL, are 
> certainly going to tell you that everything needs to be
> tested and 
> certified by them.  That's their business and means money
> in their pockets.
> 
> 
> REB
> 
> 
> Jim Wagner wrote:
> 
> >You want 47cfr15.13 (part 15, section 13).
> >
> >Unfortunately, testing costs pretty big bucks ($1K to
> $2K).
> >This is not something you can do yourself; it has to be
> >done by an FCC certified lab. Depending on where you are
> in
> >the U.S., I can offer at least one recommendtion. I can
> >also provide some sense of what is involved and how
> >to maximize the odds of passing the first time.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:28:32 -0000
> > "Don Kirby" <psyclopedia@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Thanks Jim, I knew there was some kind of legal testing
> >>protocol to
> >>follow.  I'm checking out the FCC part 15 right now.
> >>
> >>-Don
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Wagner"
> >><jim_d_wagner@...> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>You need to be aware of FCC testing rules! They are
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>spelled
> >>    
> >>
> >>>out in FCC part 15 and I will provide a link when I
> can
> >>>look it up. Technically, you CANNOT sell a digital
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>device
> >>    
> >>
> >>>with a "clock" in it that runs over a certain
> frequency
> >>>without FCC certification. You can produce up to 200
> as
> >>>demos but you cannot sell them - you must retain
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>ownership!
> >>    
> >>
> >>>As for quality testing, while FCC does not require it
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>way CE does, I would try some basic "ESD" testing,
> >>>especially if this is going into sites where human
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>"static
> >>    
> >>
> >>>zaps" can occur. For a real quick test, you can use
> one
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>of
> >>    
> >>
> >>>those "BBQ lighters" that makes a spark. Spark to the
> >>>chassis and see whether or not it resets or does other
> >>>strange things. That will save you lots of grief from
> >>>things not operating correctly in the field. 
> >>>
> >>>Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:19:58 -0000
> >>> "Don Kirby" <psyclopedia@...> wrote:
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>I've been developing an embedded device for some time
> >>>>now, and have
> >>>>
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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> 

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