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Page 136 in the ATmega8 doc2486.pdf mentions some "clock recovery" but I'm 
not sure what it does... could it do some of this adaptation by itself, in 
the USART?

Cat
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From: "np np" <harrabylad@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: What serial speed (RS232) can I achieve using 
the built-in osc...


> You could try some adaptive software to work out the baud rate ?
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> We wanted to use a cheap internal osc so had the PC send out some 55H 
> characters before transmission.
> The PIC measured the bits and used the value as the length of a bit.
> It then could match itself to the rx and tx of the PC.
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> www.ckp-railways.talktalk.net/pcbcad21.htm
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> From: Mike Harrison <mike@whitewing.co.uk>
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 31 May, 2007 10:45:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: What serial speed (RS232) can I achieve using 
> the built-in osc...
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>            On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT), you wrote:
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>>  That is a brilliant tuning suggestion!  I never thought of that one
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>><chuckle>.  Another "gotcha" when using the internal RC oscillators is
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>>that they are not as stable over temperature
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>>as a resonator or crystal.
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>>As long as you stay pretty close to the 20-25C temperature range they
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>>are fine, otherwise they can drift (see data sheet for the drift rate).
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> There can also be significant jitter - seems to be worse on some parts 
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> Microchip's tolerance specs take this into account or not.
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>>DLC
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>>> Hi guys,
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>>> Only bit of advice that I can give from my own experience is that the
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>>> on chip RC oscillator is FINE for UART when your running on a accurate
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>>> 5V supply AND you program the OSCCAL register with the correct value.
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>>> If your VCC is low (3V or 3.3V) etc, you can still use the UART by
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>>> setting the value of OSCCAL correctly (Not the value that the
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>>> programmer gives you), I have done this by entering into a loop where
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>>> I increment the OSCCAL register, then output it's value out the serial
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>>> port, as soon as you can read the value, you know you have a value for
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>>> OSCCAL that will allow the UART to work correctly. This is NOT a good
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>>> way to do things for mass production, but is fine for homers and
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>>> on-offs. The loop looks something like:
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>>> OSCCAL = 0;
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>>> while(OSCCAL < 255){
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>>>   UART_Write_Number( OSCCAL);
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Hein B
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>>> Auckland, New Zealand
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>>> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroup s.com, dlc@... wrote:
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>>>> > On 5/30/07, dlc <dlc@...> wrote:
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>>>> >> I've gotten 9600 baud to work well with the internal 1MHz
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>>>> >> the Tiny11.  You can handle quite a bit of slop reading serial
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>>>> >> your baud rate is low enough.
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>>>> > Unfortunately, clock speed error is proportional, so 5% error is 5%
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>>>> > error in baud rate, no matter what baud rate you pick.  But, as the
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>>>> > baud rates get higher, the granularity of the steps in the UBRR
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>>>> > setting get proportionally larger (ie: 20 vs 21 is smaller error than
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>>>> > 3 vs 2)
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>>>>   There is no hardware UART in these small chips, I bit bang my serial
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>>>> there and that seems to be more tolerant of bit slip and stretch. 
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>>>> in software gives me the option of very high granularity.  The hardware
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>>>> UARTS are not as tolerant of error.  That is probably the difference.
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>>>> DLC
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