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Re: [AVR-Chat] IAR free trial version

2004-06-16 by Cobb, Quentin

So if your local pub gives away free beer one night, it's not really free
unless they continue to give it away forever?

I agree that it's not free in the "unfettered, unconstrained" meaning of
open source but  it is free in the normal no-charge meaning. 

It's only a hook if you try it and it's too good to give it up!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Shaw <rjshaw@netspace.net.au>
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed Jun 16 09:49:57 2004
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] IAR free trial version

Cobb, Quentin wrote:
> I am t an Atmel seminar today an d just learned that IAR now has a free
eval
> version. 
> 
> IAR make the *the* high-end AVR C compiler (normally mucho $). The eval
> version is limited to 4kb but otherwise has no restrictions & no time
limit.
> 
> Gotta love free software

But that just aint free. It's a hook and sinker job;)
How about free as in speech?

There was this wonderful 3D mechanical CAD program (prodesktop express)
that i learnt and used while i was still on windows. It was free for years,
and was a reduced version (but still very good) of their paid-up version.
Last december, it became non-free (now $1k+). It is still a very good
program and worth it if mech-eng is your job (it's far better value
than protel). Luckily, last minute subscribers for the free version
got a 5 year licence;) It doesn't run on linux tho. I love writing
cad programs. I have ideas and a keyboard;)

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Re: [AVR-Chat] IAR free trial version

2004-06-16 by Russell Shaw

Cobb, Quentin wrote:
> So if your local pub gives away free beer one night, it's not really free
> unless they continue to give it away forever?

Once beer is digested, it has no need for maintenance, bug fixes, and
upgrades for new devices;)

> I agree that it's not free in the "unfettered, unconstrained" meaning of
> open source but  it is free in the normal no-charge meaning. 
> 
> It's only a hook if you try it and it's too good to give it up!

Quite so. If you're forced to give it up because it becomes
non-free, its quite irritating and you avoid those mistakes
in future, unless the code isn't difficult to port to another
compiler. Also, all the time invested in learning its quirks
such as embedding assembler and handling custom io functions
will be wasted if you ever discontinue using it.

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  > -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell Shaw <rjshaw@netspace.net.au>
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed Jun 16 09:49:57 2004
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] IAR free trial version
> 
> Cobb, Quentin wrote:
> 
>>I am t an Atmel seminar today an d just learned that IAR now has a free
>>eval version. 
>>
>>IAR make the *the* high-end AVR C compiler (normally mucho $). The eval
>>version is limited to 4kb but otherwise has no restrictions & no time
>>limit.
> 
>>Gotta love free software
> 
> 
> But that just aint free....

Re: [AVR-Chat] IAR free trial version

2004-06-16 by Peter Harrison

Russell Shaw wrote:

> 
> Once beer is digested, it has no need for maintenance, bug fixes, and
> upgrades for new devices;)
> 
My experience of Sunday mornings suggests otherwise.

Pete Harrison