AVR-Chat

At 01:48 PM 8/6/2004, Cobb, Quentin wrote:

>Frankly I'm surprised by the dearth of information on the Internet about the
>key players:
>David Lawrence, John Dowling or Karen Danski, or the "Perfect Data" project.

Kat, I'm also worried.  It could be that you are being used to lend credibility to this thing, to dupe investors..  My BS detector is way into the orange zone.

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, David VanHorn <dvanhorn@c...> wrote:

> ... It could be that you are being
> used to lend credibility to this
> thing, to dupe investors ...

Yes, that's going to be the motive, isn't it. Check out ZeoSync, who 
back in 2002 went after 40 million to develop "standard setting 
compression/encoding technology". Today they don't even have a Web 
site up. It was all a rip-off.

And what about storing arbitrary amounts of data in a single 128-bit 
word? Here's someone who apparently still thinks this is possible:
http://www.karenware.com/newsletters/2002/2002-07-12.asp
Someone pulled that hoax off in the UK in the early 80s.

Not to mention cold fusion.

Kat, the human mind does not store data in text format. Haven't you 
ever had an idea that is really, really hard to put into words? You 
can't emulate the human thought process by matching up chunks of 
text, no matter how much text you have and how fast you match it. How 
would you deal with music or math? We may not know how the mind works 
but I think we know how it doesn't.

Graham.

> 
> I know you all seem to think this is a hoax, but right now it is 
> providing me money to live on and no one else has any paying 
projects, 
> so I do what needs to be done to make some money.
> 
> 
>

Hold the presses.  I thought you said there was no $$ until you hit 
level 5 ?

If it is paying bills, then do what the customer wants !


I've had customers tell me exactly how they wanted things.  To which 
I would report, technalally, why it could not be done that way, 
but... if that is the way it is required, that is the way it will be 
delivered.

More than one 'error' that brought sense back to the documentation.  
gotta love it when you can put out a letter that is 6 months old that 
details the problem.

Just to reminiss, I designed a job that we lost, a fortune 500 
company got.  failed on, got sued, and the court ordered that we do 
it to validate that it could be done the 'exact way' it was detailed 
and with the parts available at the time of the project.

My parent company yelled at me at the time of the origional 
enginnering, griped when they had to certify that the parts supplied 
years later were available earlier.

I laughed and cried in the end.  we only supplied one unit of the 
100.  proved I was right from the beginning. and since it was a gov't 
job they just ended the project and started from scratch.

But, if this is paying the bills, full speed ahead !

Dave

Graham Davies wrote:

> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, David VanHorn <dvanhorn@c...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>... It could be that you are being
>>used to lend credibility to this
>>thing, to dupe investors ...
> 
> 
> Yes, that's going to be the motive, isn't it. Check out ZeoSync, who 
> back in 2002 went after 40 million to develop "standard setting 
> compression/encoding technology". Today they don't even have a Web 
> site up. It was all a rip-off.
> 
> And what about storing arbitrary amounts of data in a single 128-bit 
> word? Here's someone who apparently still thinks this is possible:
> http://www.karenware.com/newsletters/2002/2002-07-12.asp
> Someone pulled that hoax off in the UK in the early 80s.
> 
> Not to mention cold fusion.
> 
> Kat, the human mind does not store data in text format. Haven't you 
> ever had an idea that is really, really hard to put into words? You 
> can't emulate the human thought process by matching up chunks of 
> text, no matter how much text you have and how fast you match it. How 
> would you deal with music or math? We may not know how the mind works 
> but I think we know how it doesn't.
> 
> Graham.

Exactly, so it will be fun finding out :)

I know you all seem to think this is a hoax, but right now it is 
providing me money to live on and no one else has any paying projects, 
so I do what needs to be done to make some money.


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At 07:47 PM 8/6/2004, Lasse Madsen wrote:

>Excuse me ...
> 
>What the hxll are we doing discussing some brain dead xx’s economical scams on an AVR forum … wake up guy’s and gal’s its not the social club lets get professional…

When were you appointed as topic manager again?

>
>I know you all seem to think this is a hoax, but right now it is 
>providing me money to live on and no one else has any paying projects, 
>so I do what needs to be done to make some money.

I hear that! 

just lookin' out for you :)

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Mucha" <dave_mucha@y...> wrote:

> Hold the presses.  I thought you said
> there was no $$ until you hit level 5 ?
> If it is paying bills, then do what the
> customer wants !

I agree with Dave, as I said several times.

Kat, if you expect help from people in the group you could be a bit 
more conscientious about providing correct information and answering 
questions yourself. You started this off asking for recommendations 
of semiconductor manufacturers and have never told us whether you can 
actually afford to have a custom chip made. Everyone (except the we-
shouldn't-be-talking-about-this guy) is doing their best to help you. 
If you don't want the help, tell us; but don't mislead us.

Getting paid makes the work worthwhile, but doesn't mean it isn't a 
hoax. I think the other Dave said your work would lend credibility to 
the project in the eyes of investors. What the principals pay you 
will be a drop in the bucket compared to what they skim off for 
themselves before this thing fails.

If you do want help, and are prepared to give the information people 
need to help you, why not start another group? You can make it 
private so only people you invite can join and posts are hidden from 
non-members.

Graham.

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Davies" <YahooGroups@e...> 
wrote:
> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Mucha" <dave_mucha@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> > Hold the presses.  I thought you said
> > there was no $$ until you hit level 5 ?
> > If it is paying bills, then do what the
> > customer wants !
> 
> I agree with Dave, as I said several times.
> 
> Kat, if you expect help from people in the group you could be a bit 
> more conscientious about providing correct information and 
answering 
> questions yourself. You started this off asking for recommendations 
> of semiconductor manufacturers and have never told us whether you 
can 
> actually afford to have a custom chip made. Everyone (except the we-
> shouldn't-be-talking-about-this guy) is doing their best to help 
you. 
> If you don't want the help, tell us; but don't mislead us.
> 
> Getting paid makes the work worthwhile, but doesn't mean it isn't a 
> hoax. I think the other Dave said your work would lend credibility 
to 
> the project in the eyes of investors. What the principals pay you 
> will be a drop in the bucket compared to what they skim off for 
> themselves before this thing fails.
> 
> If you do want help, and are prepared to give the information 
people 
> need to help you, why not start another group? You can make it 
> private so only people you invite can join and posts are hidden 
from 
> non-members.
> 
> Graham.



Another group ?  Of course at some point.   But isn't this whole 
thread like a big cross-polinazation of ideas?

I see that even the most simple question can make someone take 
something from column A and mix it with something from column B.

And in a way, isn't this thread mirroring what the project does?

Dave