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This may be interesting to the list:

      Watched item ending in the next 3 hours!
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Item name:      Atmel ATmega 128 Microcontrollers ATMEGA128-16AI AVR
      Subtitle:       Dutch Auction,  bid on 1-60 parts Atmel AVR New Parts
      Price:          $9.25
      Bids:           3
      End date:       Ends Sep-20-04 10:12:29 PDT
      View item:
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3839892120&ssPageName=ADME:B:WN:US:1
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have no financial interest in this, just came across it in a search...

Mike

Or, might be better buy from me ?
 
me= authorized Atmel IC re-seller
- ATMEGA128-16AI    US$6.5 / pc    min. buy 10 pc
- pay shipping charge US$16   (reach USA within 2 or 3 days)
  (so buying more, the average shipping cost = less !)
- pay using Western Union (www.westernunion.com)
- and, I sell any Atmel IC
e.g.
ATMEGA8L-8AI     US$2.0 / pc 
ATMega8-16AI       US$2.0 / pc 
ATMEGA8-16PI     US$2.0 / pc 
ATMEGA8L-8MI    US$2.2 / pc 
ATMEGA16L-8AI   US$2.5 / pc 
ATMEGA16L-8PI   US$2.5 / pc 
ATMEGA8515L-8PI   US$2.8 / pc 
( Minimum buy 20 pc. ) 
 
Jo Zen
joe@baite.com.hk
 
 
(I post this only after I saw that  ATMega128 can go to US$9.5  !    and
 I am only telling  the alternative choice  here ! )
 
 
 


Mike Murphree <mike@tropo.org> wrote:

This may be interesting to the list:

      Watched item ending in the next 3 hours!
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Item name:      Atmel ATmega 128 Microcontrollers ATMEGA128-16AI AVR
      Subtitle:       Dutch Auction,  bid on 1-60 parts Atmel AVR New Parts
      Price:          $9.25
      Bids:           3
      End date:       Ends Sep-20-04 10:12:29 PDT
      View item:
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3839892120&ssPageName=ADME:B:WN:US:1
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have no financial interest in this, just came across it in a search...

Mike




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--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Joe Tsang <ic_source_joe@y...> wrote:

> Or, might be better buy from me ?

Those are good prices, Jo, and as someone who polutes this group with 
advertising himself, I have no objection to your posting this.

However, I took a look at Western Union and I don't like the service 
they're offering. I can't even figure out what the fees might be. 
Have you considered using PayPal? Admittedly, you have to pay the 
fees, but you could fix that with a small price increase. Your 
customer would then pay exactly the price you advertise. Also, you 
can set up a Web shop using PayPal's shopping basket and let people 
pick and choose among your products, pay online and you get sent the 
order from PayPal. This is working well for me. The only problem I 
have is that shipping is not calculated based on weight or 
destination, but even that may not be a problem for you shipping only 
ICs to the USA by air.

Graham.
http://www.ecrostech.com

Thanks,  Graham !
 
I had just started up my paypal account.   So, now, I can accept payment
via paypal, to my e-mail address, ic_source_joe@yahoo.com
 
 
I repeat my 'ad' message once again (only this time !)
<<<
me= authorized Atmel IC re-seller
- ATMEGA128-16AI    US$6.5 / pc    min. buy 10 pc
- pay shipping charge US$16   (reach USA within 2 or 3 days)
  (so buying more, the average shipping cost / IC = less !)
  (shipping charge is min. US$16 for package under 0.5kg etc...)
  (e.g.  shipping charge = US$20 for package of 1kg etc...)
- and, I sell any Atmel IC
e.g.
ATMEGA8L-8AI     US$2.0 / pc 
ATMega8-16AI       US$2.0 / pc 
ATMEGA8-16PI     US$2.0 / pc 
ATMEGA8L-8MI    US$2.2 / pc 
ATMEGA16L-8AI   US$2.5 / pc 
ATMEGA16L-8PI   US$2.5 / pc 
ATMEGA8515L-8PI   US$2.8 / pc 
( Minimum buy 20 pc. ) 
<<<
 
For other details, pls send e-mail to me for my answering
you directly.
 
And, to Graham, wishing you very prosperous business too !
Thanks !
 
 
Jo Zen
joe@baite.com.hk

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Graham Davies <YahooGroups@ecrostech.com> wrote:--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Joe Tsang <ic_source_joe@y...> wrote:

> Or, might be better buy from me ?

Those are good prices, Jo, and as someone who polutes this group with 
advertising himself, I have no objection to your posting this.

However, I took a look at Western Union and I don't like the service 
they're offering. I can't even figure out what the fees might be. 
Have you considered using PayPal? Admittedly, you have to pay the 
fees, but you could fix that with a small price increase. Your 
customer would then pay exactly the price you advertise. Also, you 
can set up a Web shop using PayPal's shopping basket and let people 
pick and choose among your products, pay online and you get sent the 
order from PayPal. This is working well for me. The only problem I 
have is that shipping is not calculated based on weight or 
destination, but even that may not be a problem for you shipping only 
ICs to the USA by air.

Graham.
http://www.ecrostech.com



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Re: [AVR-Chat] Atmel ICs from Jo Zen (was Re: ATmega128 on eBay)

Graham Davies wrote:
> However, I took a look at Western Union and I don't like the service 
> they're offering.

Western Union ... Agggh.

Someone sent me a Western Union money order, the paper form (they 
purchased from a 7/11 store in the US), not the electronic 10 digit 
number variety. No-one in Australia can use it outside of a 4 week 
verification process and having to turn up in person at a bank, and pay 
a commission too!

This is the 21st Century - Dinosaurs like Western Union will die!

PayPal - now there's another dinosaur waiting to die unless they realise 
the world doesn't pivot on the US $. My real PayPal costs, after they 
give me a shithouse exchange rate to AU$ and after they charge me a 
cross border transaction fee (what bullshit!), is at least twice the fee 
they advertise (6 to 7%).

Credit cards - don't get me started ....

Peter

(BTW, please excuse my french)








.

maybe the following is a little OT ?
 
Well, a little say on 'business world' transactions:
 
usually,  'business people' are buying and selling in 'large volume' say,
transaction of at least US$2,000 etc...
 
Usually they use normal bank to send out money using T/T,
and the corresponding banks in each side pays the respective
bank charges etc...    Usually it is from US$20, US$30 etc...
 
For 'little shipment', usually they use Fed.Ex etc..., which cost
another US$30 etc...
 
But, considering the larger transaction amount of US$2,000 and
more etc...,  then, such overhead cost could be justified etc...
 
So, obviously the logistic business people are making a lot of
money, as well as the 'finance' people like the banks, paypal,
westernunion...
 
 
One more payment method for even large transaction is usually
Letter of Credit, which is meaningful for amount of over US$50,000
and so on...
 
 
Thanks !
 
Jo Zen
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Peter Gargano <peter@techedge.com.au> wrote:
Re: [AVR-Chat] Atmel ICs from Jo Zen (was Re: ATmega128 on eBay)

Graham Davies wrote:
> However, I took a look at Western Union and I don't like the service 
> they're offering.

Western Union ... Agggh.

Someone sent me a Western Union money order, the paper form (they 
purchased from a 7/11 store in the US), not the electronic 10 digit 
number variety. No-one in Australia can use it outside of a 4 week 
verification process and having to turn up in person at a bank, and pay 
a commission too!

This is the 21st Century - Dinosaurs like Western Union will die!

PayPal - now there's another dinosaur waiting to die unless they realise 
the world doesn't pivot on the US $. My real PayPal costs, after they 
give me a shithouse exchange rate to AU$ and after they charge me a 
cross border transaction fee (what bullshit!), is at least twice the fee 
they advertise (6 to 7%).

Credit cards - don't get me started ....

Peter

(BTW, please excuse my french)








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At 01:24 PM 23/09/04 +1000, you wrote:
>(BTW, please excuse my french)
>

I see that rubbing shoulders with Mark Latham in Canberra
has improved your vocabulary :-))

Regards

John Samperi

******************************************************
                        Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
  11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
         Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
               Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
                 Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
******************************************************

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dingo" <nsjunklists@h...> wrote:

OK, I'm learning something here. Western Union is out. Credit cards 
are good. It has also been my experience that you get a very fair 
exchange rate with a credit card. Also a debit (ATM) card.

So, on to PayPal. I have been assuming that someone paying for my 
products with a credit card through PayPal benefits from the same 
fair exchange rate as using a credit card in other ways. Is this not 
so? Is the credit card debited in the "native" currency and then this 
converted to dollars at a rip-off rate?

Before I signed up with PayPal, people had a lot of trouble paying me 
from non-dollar contries. Some resorted to mailing a wad of dollar 
bills as these were cheaper than dollar-denominated checks. PayPal 
has solved this problem and I've received no comments about lousy 
exchange rates. Am I setting up my overseas customers for a rip-off?

Graham.
http://www.ecrostech.com

Graham,

    I agree you get most of the sells from countries where
PayPal makes business, but you can lose a few from the 
others. There are some services like 2checkout to implement
a payment system (with shopping cart) which will take just
any credit card.  

Regards,
Cosmin Buhu
http://www.easyvitools.com
Easy Control - Fast Windows developement for serial&TCP/IP communications
EzCom2Web - Web enable your serial device


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Graham Davies" <YahooGroups@ecrostech.com>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Re: The cost of money ...


> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dingo" <nsjunklists@h...> wrote:
> 
> OK, I'm learning something here. Western Union is out. Credit cards 
> are good. It has also been my experience that you get a very fair 
> exchange rate with a credit card. Also a debit (ATM) card.
> 
> So, on to PayPal. I have been assuming that someone paying for my 
> products with a credit card through PayPal benefits from the same 
> fair exchange rate as using a credit card in other ways. Is this not 
> so? Is the credit card debited in the "native" currency and then this 
> converted to dollars at a rip-off rate?
> 
> Before I signed up with PayPal, people had a lot of trouble paying me 
> from non-dollar contries. Some resorted to mailing a wad of dollar 
> bills as these were cheaper than dollar-denominated checks. PayPal 
> has solved this problem and I've received no comments about lousy 
> exchange rates. Am I setting up my overseas customers for a rip-off?
> 
> Graham.
> http://www.ecrostech.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
>

At 03:39 PM 23/09/04 -0000, you wrote:
>--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dingo" <nsjunklists@h...> wrote:
>
> It has also been my experience that you get a very fair 
>exchange rate with a credit card. Also a debit (ATM) card.
>
As I understand from the Dontronics website is that, in some
countries and with some people, after the goods are delivered
to some address, the card transaction is disputed and you 
(the supplier) loose your money and your goods. Any experience
on web shopping (as a supplier) would be appreciated as I have
also been toying with the idea of making some stuff available on
my website.

Regards

John Samperi

******************************************************
                        Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
  11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
         Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
               Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
                 Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
******************************************************

My experience as a small supplier from a website has been generally
favorable, mostly because some trust is first established between the
buyer and the seller.  We usually use a personal check, sent through the
regular mail, made out in US dollars, if from another country.  Although
delays are inherent, we usually ship the product, ( a $49 electronic toy)
even before we receive the check, if the buyer says they have mailed it.

For buyers who don't want to use a personal check, we are able to use
a friend's credit-card-enabled website, and lose a small transaction amount.

Ken


John Samperi wrote:

>At 03:39 PM 23/09/04 -0000, you wrote:
>  
>
>>--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dingo" <nsjunklists@h...> wrote:
>>
>>It has also been my experience that you get a very fair 
>>exchange rate with a credit card. Also a debit (ATM) card.
>>
>>    
>>
>As I understand from the Dontronics website is that, in some
>countries and with some people, after the goods are delivered
>to some address, the card transaction is disputed and you 
>(the supplier) loose your money and your goods. Any experience
>on web shopping (as a supplier) would be appreciated as I have
>also been toying with the idea of making some stuff available on
>my website.
>
>Regards
>
>John Samperi
>
>******************************************************
>                        Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
>  11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
>         Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
>               Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
>                 Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
>* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
>******************************************************
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Replying to John Samperi:

I have as much chance of rubbing shoulders with Mark Latham as I do of 
seeing Little Johnny Howard walking out of The Lodge (do I have to spell 
out how small a chance that is?).

   http://www.pm.gov.au/aus_in_focus/kids/residences.html
   http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/06/1070625580653.html


But, money ...


Graham Davies wrote:

> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Dingo" <nsjunklists@h...> wrote:
> So, on to PayPal. I have been assuming that someone paying for my 
> products with a credit card through PayPal benefits from the same 
> fair exchange rate as using a credit card in other ways. Is this not 
> so? Is the credit card debited in the "native" currency and then this 
> converted to dollars at a rip-off rate?

With PayPal merchants, your customers pay with US$s which is fine, but 
if you want to convert that to say AU$ (ie. return the proceeds of your 
sales to your native currency) then PayPal will give you an exchange 
rate that is, in my experience, at least 3-4% worse than the rate you 
would otherwise get. As well, they charge higher sales fees and cross 
border fees for customers who don't reside in the USA - this all adds up 
to a fee of 6 to 7% compared to a Visa/Mastercard fee of maybe half. I 
don't need to point out that if you do say 100k worth of turnover, then 
you'll be maybe AU$3,500-4,000 worse off with PayPal compared with a 
card transaction.

> Before I signed up with PayPal, people had a lot of trouble paying me 
> from non-dollar contries. Some resorted to mailing a wad of dollar 
> bills as these were cheaper than dollar-denominated checks. PayPal 
> has solved this problem and I've received no comments about lousy 
> exchange rates. Am I setting up my overseas customers for a rip-off?

There's no question PayPal is convenient, and that convenience may be 
worth the extra percentage costs, but the extra-extra costs, if you 
don't reside (or have set up your bank account) to be in the USA, seem 
like the straw that broke the camels back.

It's all about having different classes of people - in general, us 
Aussies don't like that concept.

BTW, off topic? rubbish!

Peter.

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Peter Gargano <peter@t...> wrote:

> ... the extra-extra costs, if you 
> don't reside (or have set up your
> bank account) to be in the USA ...

OK, now I understand. As a seller in the USA, I am not setting up my 
customers for a rip-off by using PayPal. Sellers who don't have bank 
accounts denominated in US dollars will find PayPal far less 
convenient due to additional charges. Thanks for clarifying this. I 
would not defend or condemn PayPal, its just the way they choose to 
do business. I sympathise with those that feel the USA can be a 
little too big for its boots sometimes and I might as well disclose 
that I am actually a pom/limey married to a US citizen.

Regarding risk, I also agree that trust is necessary. The only thing 
that has gone wrong for me is a shipment that the purchaser claimed 
did not arrive. I re-shipped, but it is possible he lied and got 
twice what he paid for. My guess would be that the shipment really 
did not arrive. Fortunately, it wasn't a lot of money and I'm still 
ahead by electing not to register or insure shipments.

Graham.
http://www.ecrostech.com

(AVR Butterfly carriers and miniature JTAG ICE clones will be 
available in a week or so.)