Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and reply or argue with that. My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + others and this is equally nice. J On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > it was becuase every thing went digital > > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w > > they were pure digital machines with no res filter > > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters > > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with > digital osc > > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca > > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great > > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters > > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing > fast enough > > and you get samples in time delay for feed back > > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input > > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining > which adds latency > > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not > > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control > by cpu and analog audio path > > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN > > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters > > this was first done on an 8bit system > > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little > steppy > > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it > was left as 8bits and is very steppy > > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital > and a new analog filter > > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best > > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths > > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can > do > > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 > > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding > > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves > losing all the detail of the wavetable > > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did > not use res > > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ > tri/square/saw noise waves > > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can > do some neat filter tricks > > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the > 135mb optical drives > > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks > > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that > > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer > > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack > > tx16w > > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex > > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support > > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 > > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII > > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second > hand mula > > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add > your own > > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments > > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very > good synth type sounds > > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this > > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel > made it so much fatter with doing chords > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Hiya, > > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't > want to take sales away from the DSS-1? > > J > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >> >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters >> and they are warm >> >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >> through it >> >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >> >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >> matrix12 >> >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >> waveshapes you want >> >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >> series >> >> same for the uwave and the uwavext >> >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >> >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >> >> the prophet vs including my user waves >> >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >> >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >> >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >> >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower >> you can get very fat sounds >> >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco >> of the roland series >> >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good >> as >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >> and >> his wife bought an Akai. >> >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >> >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >> >> J >> >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >> >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>> >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>> >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>> >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>> >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>> filters >>> >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >>> you need 7v for that >>> >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>> >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>> >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>> wavetables >>> >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use >>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>> >>> for slot one and the end slot >>> >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>> >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>> >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari >>> >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this >>> and made it easy for looping >>> >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them >>> like the ppg >>> >>> i have done all the ppg >>> >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>> >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jammie, >>> >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>> has >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used >>> to >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>> are >>> f**king huge. >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the >>>> k3 >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >>>> >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>> can >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>> >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: jammie >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>> >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>> >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>> >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>> sounds >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>> synth/ >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >>>> the >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>> samplers >>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>>> using a slider too. >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>> have a >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >>>> drive. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>> >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>> personally? >>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>>>> cant >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>> its a >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-22 by Jason Adkins