Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

exactly - a handful of perameters would be enough, but they should be
user-assignible. That means another layer in the synth, to determine which
of the evolver midi controllers, say 1 to 8, is assigned to which of 128
incoming CCs. the Alesis Andromeda works that way and its fine for most
practical purposes.... of course morph groups like the Nord Modulars
assigning multiple CCs to a evolver controllers would be even better, but
lets be realistic...

If this extra layer in the synth acted as a default layer for all patches
that would be great, like the Andromeda, but if they could then be edited on
a patch by patch basis, like the Nord, that would be super-great and would
create huge flexibilty

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:08 AM
Subject: RE: evo CC editing........ Re: [Evolver] Re: Setting up Edirol
PCR-30 for use with evolver?


> >OK.. the one *major* issue with having CCs to control evolvers
parameters,
> >as discussed before, is that the evolver has more than 128 parameters
that
> >people might want to control... and there's only 120-ish available CCs
per
> >MIDI channel. The reason your other modern synths can have CCs assigned
to
> >parameters is simply because they don't have as many as evolver does....
> >also, the evolver has a couple of parameters with ranges greater than
> >0-127... which isn't so great seeing CCs only have that range of values.
> >So any kind of extended CC control would be a compromise...
>
>
> Yes, the evolver has more than 128 parameters.  But the point is you don't
> need 120+ CC controllers at once!  The CC's on these modern synths, like
the
> Virus (which by the way does have more than 128 parameters to edit....)
are
> FREELY ASSIGNABLE to any parameter we want.  You are allowed to have CC's
> and SYSEX going on at the same time.  You don't need to compromise between
> the two.
>
> All I'm asking is for MORE!  I don't need 128!  I'd never be editing 128
> parameters at once.  10 Would be nice, 20 even better.  I only need to
> assign the CC's I want to be editing for that particular patch.  So you
see,
> the limitation of 128 cc's vs the more than 128 parameters available is
not
> the issue here.  I can use my LFO's to modulate what I want, and the 10 or
> more CC's to other parameters I happen to want to edit as well.
>
> I like having fine control over as many parameters as possible.  I have
used
> 10+ parameter changes at the same time going on.  CC's can be easily drawn
> and edited in a DAW (as in my case, Cubase SX).  SYSEX cannot.  It takes
me
> minutes to do with CC what it would take for me 5 times as long to finely
> edit SYSEX.
>
>
> ?. On top of all this... if you are to
> >have a way to assign CCs to parameters, where would this functionality go
> >on
> >the programming matrix? remember none of us get a new front panel with a
> >new
> >OS update, so it's got to be something that fits around the way the
> >existing
> >code works, as well as being intuative enough that you can use it without
> >any front panel notes, and just a 3 digit LED display...
>
> >We have a great developer for our synth here, and he does obviously care
> >about keeping us happy... that v2.0 update was excellent..... But if
we're
> >going to go asking for these kind of changes, can we at least work out a
> >way
> >to do it that won't make his beautiful synth a complete mess?  Also,
> >providing a path to a solution is a much more powerful way of asking for
> >somthing that you want, rather than just posing an open problem...
>
> Adding Wave forms is not on the matrix, yet the capability is there.  An
> editor update would be simple enough.  Adding CC's as modulation sources
> would work quite easily with the current matrix setup.
>
> I really don't understand how you think the Evolver's current functions
> would be compromised.  Those who don't require the CC's need not be
> concerned at all about them.  The same goes for people who don't use midi
at
> all, and just use the internal sequencing to program their synth.  These
> people are note concerned with the midi parameters and therefore have no
> need to read or know about them, how it functions, or how to access them.
>
> >Maybe start with a list of what parameters everyone actually cares about
> >having realtime sequencable CC power over?
>
>
> Why hardcode CC's to specific parameters?  Make them freely assignable.
> CC's 60 - 80 to whatever parameter of the Evolver you want.
>
> Now let me clarify that asking for this kind of an update is by no means
> saying that I am unhappy with this synth.  I love it dearly.  But this in
my
> mind is a major limitation for how I work.
>
> Can I work around it????  Yes... doesn't mean that I like it or don't wish
> for an easier and better way.
>
> Robert
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