Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

From: "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@...>

> A workaround is to use a remote controller and assign CC values, but as we
> know, the available CC's are few and far between.
>
You could always get a controller than handles SysEx.... The peavey PC1600
has a very impressive set of presets already written..... And you can then
go and copy faders from those presets into a custom preset that controls 16
specific parameters at a time...

don't any of these modern controller things have basic SysEx support
anymore????

> I've checked the manual and I can't seem to find a setting to turn off the
> feature I described above.  Is there one?
>
nope...





julian

well, i never tried to control the evolver from an external device. I
just want to understand...

So when you say, i can use the peavey to control parameters on evo
what kind of parameters do you mean? Are those CC mesages? or pure
sysex stuff?

There is something in the manual called " program paramter data "
Are those things the parameter you can change with an external
controller ( with 128 knobs;) 

and are those parameter sysex data or cc´s or something else ?

phono



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr julian" <jujulilianan@w...> wrote:
> From: "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@t...>
> 
> > A workaround is to use a remote controller and assign CC values,
but as we
> > know, the available CC's are few and far between.
> >
> You could always get a controller than handles SysEx.... The peavey
PC1600
> has a very impressive set of presets already written..... And you
can then
> go and copy faders from those presets into a custom preset that
controls 16
> specific parameters at a time...
> 
> don't any of these modern controller things have basic SysEx support
> anymore????
> 
> > I've checked the manual and I can't seem to find a setting to turn
off the

> > feature I described above.  Is there one?
> >
> nope...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> julian

Are there any resources out there that teach how to use sysex, set it up,
record and edit it, etc...  in a DAW?

I know little about SYSEX other than it's system exclusive messaging.

-----Original Message-----
From: mr julian [mailto:jujulilianan@...] 
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:30 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Multiple Knob Twiddling

From: "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@...>

> A workaround is to use a remote controller and assign CC values, but as we
> know, the available CC's are few and far between.
>
You could always get a controller than handles SysEx.... The peavey PC1600
has a very impressive set of presets already written..... And you can then
go and copy faders from those presets into a custom preset that controls 16
specific parameters at a time...

don't any of these modern controller things have basic SysEx support
anymore????

> I've checked the manual and I can't seem to find a setting to turn off the
> feature I described above.  Is there one?
>
nope...





julian






 
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@t...> 
wrote:
> Are there any resources out there that teach how to use sysex, set 
it up,
> record and edit it, etc...  in a DAW?
> 
> I know little about SYSEX other than it's system exclusive 
messaging.

The best reference for SysEx would be the back manual for the synth 
you are working with. A System Exclusive message is basically a 
datafile that is exclusively meant to work with one brand or model 
of synth. You'll probably need to know how to read and convert 
between binary, hex and decimal.

The most common usage of SysEx is to save and load patches or banks. 
In Sonar I can open up a SysEx window and then initiate a SysEx 
patch dump from the Evolver and then save the patch so that I can 
reload it if I happen to modify it while working on another song. 
You don't have to know very much about the format to pull that off.

If you're using a patch editor, then it's communicating with the 
Synths via SysEx messages.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@t...>
wrote:
> Are there any resources out there that teach how to use sysex, set
it up,
> record and edit it, etc...  in a DAW?
> 
> I know little about SYSEX other than it's system exclusive
messaging.



here's where i taught myself:

http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutSysEx.htm

it's written for users of roland gear, but you can adapt it to any
sysex situation. you'll also need to know how to convert decimal
values to hexadecimal numbers and vice versa. the same site helped me
too:

http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutHex.htm

also, if you have a manual for any roland synth with midi, there's
usually a sysex primer in the back. look under "midi implementation"
for a section called "supplementary material." there's a
decimal-to-hexadecimal conversion chart, examples of writing sysex
messages, and examples of how to calculate the checksum to make sure
your sysex messages do what they're intended to do.

this, combined with your synth's parameter address map (it's in the
back of your synth manual) will help you figure out what messages you
want to send and where inside your synth you want to send them.

you're probably brighter than me, but i had to reread all those
tutorials a couple of times before sysex finally started to sink in.
so if you don't get it right way, don't be discouraged. just keep
rereading and practicing the examples. soon, you'll be getting your
gear to do things you didn't even know it could.

hope this helps...

rt

Right-o.  I got that much about sysex.  My real question is how to
effectively edit it after recording, like a manual filter sweep, and/or
program devices or DAW's to send it.

-----Original Message-----
From: trevor_nyc [mailto:trevor_nyc@...] 


The best reference for SysEx would be the back manual for the synth 
you are working with. A System Exclusive message is basically a 
datafile that is exclusively meant to work with one brand or model 
of synth. You'll probably need to know how to read and convert 
between binary, hex and decimal.

The most common usage of SysEx is to save and load patches or banks. 
In Sonar I can open up a SysEx window and then initiate a SysEx 
patch dump from the Evolver and then save the patch so that I can 
reload it if I happen to modify it while working on another song. 
You don't have to know very much about the format to pull that off.

If you're using a patch editor, then it's communicating with the 
Synths via SysEx messages.


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Fantastic, I'll give it a try.  I'll have to dust off the JP8000 manual to
check out the sysex material.  I never really had to mess with it b/c of all
its assignable CC's.

I remember the old Cubase VST could use mixer maps to convert CC to sysex.
It seems Cubase SX no longer has that function, at least as much as I can
glean from the manual.

-----Original Message-----
From: robotunes [mailto:robotunes@...] 
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:46 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Evolver] sysex tutorials

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Krueger" <rkr1@t...>
wrote:
> Are there any resources out there that teach how to use sysex, set
it up,
> record and edit it, etc...  in a DAW?
> 
> I know little about SYSEX other than it's system exclusive
messaging.



here's where i taught myself:

http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutSysEx.htm

it's written for users of roland gear, but you can adapt it to any
sysex situation. you'll also need to know how to convert decimal
values to hexadecimal numbers and vice versa. the same site helped me
too:

http://www.2writers.com/eddie/TutHex.htm

also, if you have a manual for any roland synth with midi, there's
usually a sysex primer in the back. look under "midi implementation"
for a section called "supplementary material." there's a
decimal-to-hexadecimal conversion chart, examples of writing sysex
messages, and examples of how to calculate the checksum to make sure
your sysex messages do what they're intended to do.

this, combined with your synth's parameter address map (it's in the
back of your synth manual) will help you figure out what messages you
want to send and where inside your synth you want to send them.

you're probably brighter than me, but i had to reread all those
tutorials a couple of times before sysex finally started to sink in.
so if you don't get it right way, don't be discouraged. just keep
rereading and practicing the examples. soon, you'll be getting your
gear to do things you didn't even know it could.

hope this helps...

rt




 
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Looks like the Edirol boards are SYSEX programmable.  So I've spent the last
couple hours trying to figure out how to read what these Evolver sysex
parameters mean.

Follow me if you can and hopefully you can help me out.  And in the process,
help others out there who want this as well.

Page 46 shows the System Exclusive messages for PROGRAM PARAMETERS,
SEQUENCER PARAMETERS, MAIN PARAMETERS, etc...

So I'm trying to assign Filter Frequency.  So I need Program Parameters
sysex.  I fill in the first 5 rows of bytes on page 46 for Program
Parameters.  Now I need the parameter number for filter freq.

Page 55 shows that Filter Frequency is Program Parameter #16...  Page 46
again shows that to enter that parameter number,  it needs to be in the
format of :

0vvv vvvv.

My question is,  what the heck are the V's for?  Is it just saying the
parameter is variable, based on the parameter number?  So since my paramter
# is 16,  my hex code should be 0000 0010 ??

And then finally,  what the heck is LS Nibble and MS Nibble for the next few
lines of code??

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