Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Tried both of those. Key Mode only affect incoming MIDI notes and my 
envelopes are short. I've worked around it by using Evolver as the master. 
Pressing Reset on the Evolver doesn't set the 505 to the beginning of the 
sequence, though, so I have to do each individually. Not a major 
inconvenience, but it's nice to use the transport controls on the 505 to do 
it all.

Woody


>From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:14:41 -0000
>
>Are you overlooking something obvious?  Maybe.  I'm not close to my
>Evolver now, but I don't think this is a problem with your MC-505 or
>your setup in general.
>
>I *think* this may simply be an issue of needing to change the Key
>Mode (row 1, column 8) to either LOr, hir, or LAr (Low Note, High
>Note, and Last Note, with the trailing "r" indicating that the
>envelopes are retriggered).  I'm not positive about this, though,
>because I'm not sure if the Key Mode affects the Sequencer
>retriggering as it does multiple "key on" messages.
>
>Another possibility... Maybe you have long decays and releases on
>your filter and amp envelopes.  This could cause things to SOUND like
>the envelopes aren't retriggering, when in fact they are.  Try making
>the envelopes' decays and releases very short and see if it makes a
>difference.
>
>
>Ski
>www.ex5tech.com
>EX5Tech Evolver forum:
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
>
>
>--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "woodyy_wall <woody_wall@h...>"
><woody_wall@h...> wrote:
> > Hello folks!
> >
> > I'm trying to use my MC-505 as a master clock with Evolver playing
>its
> > internal sequences. On Evolver I've got MIDI Clock set to 'In' and
> > Trigger Select set to 'ALL' or 'Seq'. The Evolver sequencer starts
> > when I press Play on the 505, but the envelopes only trigger once
>and
> > then sustain until I press Stop on the 505. It seems to me that the
> > envelopes should trigger on each step of the sequencer, but they
>don't.
> >
> > Has anyone else tried this? Am I overlooking something obvious?
> >
> > Woody


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Sounds like tyou have the start/continue/stop TX enabled on your MC505 but 
not the Sequencer midi out on the MC505. So the evolver tries to start 
because it gets the start message, but it isn't getting any clock from the 
MC505. CHeck the 505 to make sure.

Ravi






>From: "Woody Wall" <woody_wall@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:15:23 -0600
>
>Tried both of those. Key Mode only affect incoming MIDI notes and my
>envelopes are short. I've worked around it by using Evolver as the master.
>Pressing Reset on the Evolver doesn't set the 505 to the beginning of the
>sequence, though, so I have to do each individually. Not a major
>inconvenience, but it's nice to use the transport controls on the 505 to do
>it all.
>
>Woody
>
>
> >From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
> >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:14:41 -0000
> >
> >Are you overlooking something obvious?  Maybe.  I'm not close to my
> >Evolver now, but I don't think this is a problem with your MC-505 or
> >your setup in general.
> >
> >I *think* this may simply be an issue of needing to change the Key
> >Mode (row 1, column 8) to either LOr, hir, or LAr (Low Note, High
> >Note, and Last Note, with the trailing "r" indicating that the
> >envelopes are retriggered).  I'm not positive about this, though,
> >because I'm not sure if the Key Mode affects the Sequencer
> >retriggering as it does multiple "key on" messages.
> >
> >Another possibility... Maybe you have long decays and releases on
> >your filter and amp envelopes.  This could cause things to SOUND like
> >the envelopes aren't retriggering, when in fact they are.  Try making
> >the envelopes' decays and releases very short and see if it makes a
> >difference.
> >
> >
> >Ski
> >www.ex5tech.com
> >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> >
> >
> >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "woodyy_wall <woody_wall@h...>"
> ><woody_wall@h...> wrote:
> > > Hello folks!
> > >
> > > I'm trying to use my MC-505 as a master clock with Evolver playing
> >its
> > > internal sequences. On Evolver I've got MIDI Clock set to 'In' and
> > > Trigger Select set to 'ALL' or 'Seq'. The Evolver sequencer starts
> > > when I press Play on the 505, but the envelopes only trigger once
> >and
> > > then sustain until I press Stop on the 505. It seems to me that the
> > > envelopes should trigger on each step of the sequencer, but they
> >don't.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else tried this? Am I overlooking something obvious?
> > >
> > > Woody
>
>
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MIDI out is enabled on the 505 and the Evolver syncs and follows the tempo 
changes. It works fine when I use a 505 sequencer part to trigger Evolver as 
a sound module. I just want to use Evolver's internal sequencer, but the 
envelopes don't trigger when MIDI Clock is set to In or I-O.

Woody


>From: "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:02:00 -0500
>
>Sounds like tyou have the start/continue/stop TX enabled on your MC505 but
>not the Sequencer midi out on the MC505. So the evolver tries to start
>because it gets the start message, but it isn't getting any clock from the
>MC505. CHeck the 505 to make sure.
>
>Ravi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Woody Wall" <woody_wall@...>
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
> >Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:15:23 -0600
> >
> >Tried both of those. Key Mode only affect incoming MIDI notes and my
> >envelopes are short. I've worked around it by using Evolver as the 
>master.
> >Pressing Reset on the Evolver doesn't set the 505 to the beginning of the
> >sequence, though, so I have to do each individually. Not a major
> >inconvenience, but it's nice to use the transport controls on the 505 to 
>do
> >it all.
> >
> >Woody
> >
> >
> > >From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>
> > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:14:41 -0000
> > >
> > >Are you overlooking something obvious?  Maybe.  I'm not close to my
> > >Evolver now, but I don't think this is a problem with your MC-505 or
> > >your setup in general.
> > >
> > >I *think* this may simply be an issue of needing to change the Key
> > >Mode (row 1, column 8) to either LOr, hir, or LAr (Low Note, High
> > >Note, and Last Note, with the trailing "r" indicating that the
> > >envelopes are retriggered).  I'm not positive about this, though,
> > >because I'm not sure if the Key Mode affects the Sequencer
> > >retriggering as it does multiple "key on" messages.
> > >
> > >Another possibility... Maybe you have long decays and releases on
> > >your filter and amp envelopes.  This could cause things to SOUND like
> > >the envelopes aren't retriggering, when in fact they are.  Try making
> > >the envelopes' decays and releases very short and see if it makes a
> > >difference.
> > >
> > >
> > >Ski
> > >www.ex5tech.com
> > >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "woodyy_wall <woody_wall@h...>"
> > ><woody_wall@h...> wrote:
> > > > Hello folks!
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to use my MC-505 as a master clock with Evolver playing
> > >its
> > > > internal sequences. On Evolver I've got MIDI Clock set to 'In' and
> > > > Trigger Select set to 'ALL' or 'Seq'. The Evolver sequencer starts
> > > > when I press Play on the 505, but the envelopes only trigger once
> > >and
> > > > then sustain until I press Stop on the 505. It seems to me that the
> > > > envelopes should trigger on each step of the sequencer, but they
> > >don't.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone else tried this? Am I overlooking something obvious?
> > > >
> > > > Woody
> >
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WHen you say th Evolver syncs and follows tempo changes, do you mean you are 
running the elvolver sequencer and it slows down and speeds up as you change 
the tempo on the MC505? Or do you mean that the time dependent LFO's and 
delay's inside the Evolver's patches change according to the tempo of the 
MC505? If not these two things then I guess you mean that the Evolver 
happily plays along as a static sound source triggered by the mc505, and of 
course it tracks tempo changes. However unless you are acheiving the above 
two examples, then you may still not have the CLOCK set to EXT in the mc505 
(even though midi is still transmitted) the clock out setting on the mc505 
is not under "shift midi" but under "shift sequencer."

I am sorry if you did all this before, but I can't tell from your email 
whether indeed you have the clock out set to on rather than off.

Ravi






>From: "Woody Wall" <woody_wall@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:49:32 -0600
>
>MIDI out is enabled on the 505 and the Evolver syncs and follows the tempo
>changes. It works fine when I use a 505 sequencer part to trigger Evolver 
>as
>a sound module. I just want to use Evolver's internal sequencer, but the
>envelopes don't trigger when MIDI Clock is set to In or I-O.
>
>Woody
>
>
> >From: "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@...>
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
> >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:02:00 -0500
> >
> >Sounds like tyou have the start/continue/stop TX enabled on your MC505 
>but
> >not the Sequencer midi out on the MC505. So the evolver tries to start
> >because it gets the start message, but it isn't getting any clock from 
>the
> >MC505. CHeck the 505 to make sure.
> >
> >Ravi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Woody Wall" <woody_wall@...>
> > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
> > >Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:15:23 -0600
> > >
> > >Tried both of those. Key Mode only affect incoming MIDI notes and my
> > >envelopes are short. I've worked around it by using Evolver as the
> >master.
> > >Pressing Reset on the Evolver doesn't set the 505 to the beginning of 
>the
> > >sequence, though, so I have to do each individually. Not a major
> > >inconvenience, but it's nice to use the transport controls on the 505 
>to
> >do
> > >it all.
> > >
> > >Woody
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>
> > > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:14:41 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Are you overlooking something obvious?  Maybe.  I'm not close to my
> > > >Evolver now, but I don't think this is a problem with your MC-505 or
> > > >your setup in general.
> > > >
> > > >I *think* this may simply be an issue of needing to change the Key
> > > >Mode (row 1, column 8) to either LOr, hir, or LAr (Low Note, High
> > > >Note, and Last Note, with the trailing "r" indicating that the
> > > >envelopes are retriggered).  I'm not positive about this, though,
> > > >because I'm not sure if the Key Mode affects the Sequencer
> > > >retriggering as it does multiple "key on" messages.
> > > >
> > > >Another possibility... Maybe you have long decays and releases on
> > > >your filter and amp envelopes.  This could cause things to SOUND like
> > > >the envelopes aren't retriggering, when in fact they are.  Try making
> > > >the envelopes' decays and releases very short and see if it makes a
> > > >difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ski
> > > >www.ex5tech.com
> > > >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "woodyy_wall <woody_wall@h...>"
> > > ><woody_wall@h...> wrote:
> > > > > Hello folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to use my MC-505 as a master clock with Evolver playing
> > > >its
> > > > > internal sequences. On Evolver I've got MIDI Clock set to 'In' and
> > > > > Trigger Select set to 'ALL' or 'Seq'. The Evolver sequencer starts
> > > > > when I press Play on the 505, but the envelopes only trigger once
> > > >and
> > > > > then sustain until I press Stop on the 505. It seems to me that 
>the
> > > > > envelopes should trigger on each step of the sequencer, but they
> > > >don't.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone else tried this? Am I overlooking something obvious?
> > > > >
> > > > > Woody
> > >
> > >
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Sorry I wasn't clear about what is happening. Comments inline...

>From: "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Envelope triggering
>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:08:32 -0500
>
>WHen you say th Evolver syncs and follows tempo changes, do you mean you 
>are
>running the elvolver sequencer and it slows down and speeds up as you 
>change
>the tempo on the MC505? Or do you mean that the time dependent LFO's and
>delay's inside the Evolver's patches change according to the tempo of the

Both of these things are happening, so it looks like the Evolver is 
receiving clocks. It's just that the Evolver envelopes only trigger when I 
press Play on the 505, but don't trigger on each step of the Evolver 
sequencer as I expected that they would.


>MC505? If not these two things then I guess you mean that the Evolver
>happily plays along as a static sound source triggered by the mc505, and of
>course it tracks tempo changes. However unless you are acheiving the above
>two examples, then you may still not have the CLOCK set to EXT in the mc505
>(even though midi is still transmitted) the clock out setting on the mc505
>is not under "shift midi" but under "shift sequencer."

I assume here that you're referring to using one of the 505 tracks to send 
MIDI notes to Evolver. That works perfectly; just as if I had my keyboard 
controller plugged into the Evolver.


>
>I am sorry if you did all this before, but I can't tell from your email
>whether indeed you have the clock out set to on rather than off.

No problem. It doesn't hurt to triple check when there are so many variables 
involved. In any case I got the results I wanted by using Evolver as the 
master rather than the slave.

After looking at the Trigger Select description in the manual, it seems I 
may have been making an an unwarranted assumption. In reference to Combo 
mode, the manual says "envelopes will only be triggered when a MIDI note is 
held *AND* the sequencer is running." So I assumed a logical AND of the MIDI 
gate and sequencer gate, which is not the case. Call up factory patch 72 in 
bank 3, start the sequencer, then press a key on your MIDI controller. The 
envelopes only trigger on the key down, not on every sequencer step. Not 
exactly the same situation as above, but related. Perhaps this is what Dave 
intended; it's just not what I expected from the description.

Sorry if this is long and incoherent. It's late and I'm off to bed now.

>
>Ravi
>

Cheers,

Woody


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