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Does anyone know if you can use the upcoming Vyzor editor (hopefully 
some beta testers here) like you would a VST instrument in a host?

Can anyone attest to how well this implementation works?  

I'm not looking to shell out for yet another editor, but if vyzor can 
deliver total recall within a host, I would HAVE to break down and get 
it.  

Currently I cannot utilize the soundtower editor while I'm in Ableton 
Live (they two apps fight for the midi connection) and my other 
problem is having to manually set the Evolver programs and bank info 
everytime I open a project Evolver midi tracks. 

Rick

> Does anyone know if you can use the upcoming Vyzor editor (hopefully 
> some beta testers here) like you would a VST instrument in a host?
> 
yes, you can. there's a VSTi version of the vyzor editor.

> Can anyone attest to how well this implementation works?  
> 
there's limitations compared to the main editor, but it works quite
well. (well, will by final v1.0 release, which is happening very soon) 

> I'm not looking to shell out for yet another editor, but if vyzor can 
> deliver total recall within a host, I would HAVE to break down and get 
> it.  
> 
you probably should. it's a very cool thing!

also - it means you can automate ALL the evolver's parameters you want,
without sysex programming.

> Currently I cannot utilize the soundtower editor while I'm in Ableton 
> Live (they two apps fight for the midi connection)

...you don't have a multiclient driver for your MIDI interface? perhaps
multiclient operation an option that can be set in the midi interface
settings?

This may actually be a problem with the evolver VSTi, too. I believe
that the sysex from vyzor VSTI needs to go straight to a MIDI output
port, as VST protocol doesn't support sysex being piped back and forth
between the app and a plugin..



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Julian,

Thanks for your response.  I really like the idea of the Evolver 
VSTi. Just what I'm looking for. Let the Hardware handle the sound 
generation, but still total recall of parameters from the host. 

Will there be a Vyzor demo?  I have only one midi I/O on my 
soundcard (no multi-client) but my Novation Remote can send/receive 
midi via USB too simultaneously. I can probably work around with 
that, using it as midi "hub", while my host uses the  midi I/O in 
the soundcard. 

Thanks,

Rick     



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Julian" <jujulilianan@...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> > Does anyone know if you can use the upcoming Vyzor editor 
(hopefully 
> > some beta testers here) like you would a VST instrument in a 
host?
> > 
> yes, you can. there's a VSTi version of the vyzor editor.
> 
> > Can anyone attest to how well this implementation works?  
> > 
> there's limitations compared to the main editor, but it works quite
> well. (well, will by final v1.0 release, which is happening very 
soon) 
> 
> > I'm not looking to shell out for yet another editor, but if 
vyzor can 
> > deliver total recall within a host, I would HAVE to break down 
and get 
> > it.  
> > 
> you probably should. it's a very cool thing!
> 
> also - it means you can automate ALL the evolver's parameters you 
want,
> without sysex programming.
> 
> > Currently I cannot utilize the soundtower editor while I'm in 
Ableton 
> > Live (they two apps fight for the midi connection)
> 
> ...you don't have a multiclient driver for your MIDI interface? 
perhaps
> multiclient operation an option that can be set in the midi 
interface
> settings?
> 
> This may actually be a problem with the evolver VSTi, too. I 
believe
> that the sysex from vyzor VSTI needs to go straight to a MIDI 
output
> port, as VST protocol doesn't support sysex being piped back and 
forth

> between the app and a plugin..
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://bleepin.com
> 
> -- 
> http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...
>

Hi,

> there limitations compared to the main editor, but it works quite
> well. (well, will by final v1.0 release, which is happening very soon)

There are a few oddities that arise out of its architectural reliance
on midiquest.  Midiquest is a very complex program and offers numerous
ways to achieve the same result.  This is undoubtedly a good thing in
a program that is a general purpose midi editor/librarian, but where
it is used for a specific end (like the evolver vyzor) it can seem a
little fustian at times.  This is definitely an app where you will
have to read the manual to get the most from it.

 	 	
>I'm not looking to shell out for yet another editor, but if vyzor can
>deliver total recall within a host

Total recall is not quite there yet.  You have to save your settings
to a file before quitting and then reload that file after you have
loaded your project file.  Saving in the host does not save the
current settings.  There is also a relation between the page currently
displayed and the underlying automation data - each page has different
parameters - and so you need to remember to always have the same page
open when you automate via your host.

A few small niggles aside, I like the vyzor.  With a bit of planning
and understanding of how the program works, it basically replicates
the functionality of the virus ti's total control for the evolver. 
Without the crashing and satan's saw <wink/>  And the dynamic
sequencer display is very, very cool.