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FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

2003-01-29 by Jeffrey D. McEachin

I got this on another list, thought you'd enjoy:
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>From: Tim Parkhurst <tparkhurst@...>
>To: synth-diy@...
>Subject: [sdiy] AES Meeting - Evolver
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:34:11 -0800

>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive me for the rather long post, but last night's AES meeting
>with Dave Smith was VERY entertaining and VERY informative. The Evolver is
>nothing short of revolutionary (IMHO) and learning more about it's innards
>was incredibly inspirational. 
>
>Dave gave an informal, but very entertaining talk that covered several
>subjects including his new company, synthesizers in general, the design
>philosophy and genesis of the Evolver, and some guesses as to the future.
>Although I'll try not to waste bandwidth with all of my notes, here are what
>I thought were the highlights:
>
>*****Dave Smith Instruments:
>"I love being a one-man company. I work out of my house, I don't have a big
>office to pay for, and I don't have to argue with someone or go to marketing
>if I want to change something or add a feature."
>
>"The drawback of being a one-man shop is that it's lonely (laughs). That's
>why I call Roger (Linn) all the time to bounce ideas off him."
>
>"I really like feedback and things that are a little out of control."
>
>http://www.davesmithinstruments.com
>
>
>*****The synth industry:
>"25 years ago, one guy could do everything. Things were more 'hardware'
>oriented. Along came the DX7 and that era, and all of the sudden you needed
>very large investments in custom chips and lots of software. Now, things are
>coming back to the point where a one-man operation can work. I do web
>searches for parts and price quotes, download part spec sheets, I outsource
>the manufacturing, and all the PCB layout and software writing is done with
>relatively cheap tools that run on a fast, cheap PC." 
>
>"I didn't want to do another retro analog synth. I wanted something with a
>LOT of personality. I didn't want to do another software synthesizer either.
>All the software synthesizers now seem to have a certain 'sameness' to them.
>Software is definitely the wave of the future, but it's just not the same. I
>wanted a neat little box to hold. I see a lot of room in the future to
>explore the combination of analog and digital hardware."
>
>"There are several problems with making a software synthesizer. For one, for
>every soft synth you sell, you give away ten (referring to piracy). Also,
>anyone who graduates from college can write a software synthesizer...and
>half of them are! And the biggest problem is the OS. You spend half your
>time porting to this OS and then that OS and this driver and that driver. A
>lot of times, software has problems that are completely out of your control.
>PCs crash, Macs crash, they all crash. (Holds up Evolver) This doesn't
>crash. It runs all the time, and it'll still run five or ten or twenty years
>from now." 
>
>"There is NO way you could get everyone to agree on what should be included
>in a MIDI 2.0 spec. I don't think it will ever happen."
>
>*****Evolver:
>Notes: Dave uses Eagle for PCB layout, 18 series PIC micros (programmed in
>C), Analog Devices 2191 DSP programmed in fixed-point mode ("If I had it to
>do over again, I'd do it in floating-point," said Dave).
>
>"I was amazed by how easy it was to get into all this. So many manufacturers
>help you with application notes and things. Like the switcher. I had to
>design a switching power supply, all I did was copy stuff from ap notes.
>They say 'do this, use this part, lay out the board like this, and it'll
>work.' So I did that, and it worked!"
>
>The 48kHz coming off the CODEC was the biggest emission problem when doing
>FCC and CE testing. The Evolver had to go through twice, which ended up
>costing about six thousand dollars.
>
>The Evolver uses a wall wart for AC conversion. The benefits of this are 
>1) It's very easy to use the unit overseas. The wall wart works from 100VAC
>to 240VAC and includes three different plug adaptors. Dave has shipped to
>over twenty countries. About 40% of Evolvers are shipped overseas.
>2) You don't have to apply for UL certification if you use a pre-approved
>wall wart. Apparently this is the main reason for their popularity.
>
>Simple wave sequencing can be done with the two digital oscillators. Dave
>used the waves from the VS. New waves can be downloaded through SysEx,
>although there is currently no editor/converter program available.
>
>There are four sixteen-step sequencers that can run simultaneously. Each one
>can control the pitch of a different oscillator! Unfortunately, the
>sequencers cannot control external equipment. Dave said he really didn't
>think anyone would want to use such a simple sequencer to control other
>stuff, but he's been surprised by how many people have asked for this
>capability. This will probably be added in the near future, as the firmware
>can be upgraded through SysEx.
>
>The sound chain goes DSP -> D/A -> Analog (VCO, VCF, VCA) -> A/D 
>There are two feedback loops (with a tunable delay) that go from the A/D
>back to the D/A. These loops can also act as oscillators (great for
>Karplus-Strong stuff). Check the signal path at
>
>http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/downloads/signal_flow.pdf
>
>There are two ICs labled "Marion" in the Evolver. Apparently, these were
>designed by Doug Curtis for a Tom Oberheim project that never got off the
>ground! Dave says he has a source to fab new chips when these units run out
>(in about a year and a half). He also mentioned briefly that Doug may be
>producing and reissuing some of the old Curtis chips again.
>
>There are NO TRIMMERS on the Evolver PCB! All analog trimming and tuning is
>done digitally. It is a VERY clean layout, and amazingly compact for what it
>includes. There is a picture on the Dave Smith Instruments web site for
>those who want to see.
>
>********************************************
>All in all, it was a very entertaining evening. The Evolver sounds AMAZING!
>Dave did demos with a single Evolver sitting on a desk. No keyboard, no
>outboard effects, nothing. It was hard to believe that all that sound was
>coming out of a single monophonic synth! 
>
>One quote from Roger Linn that I thought was interesting. "I try not to use
>any components that I can't get out of the Digi-Key catalog. They have a lot
>of stuff in stock, you can get it in a day or two if you need it, and a lot
>of times they can beat the price of the big distributors." All in all, I
>think we live in a GREAT time to be a Synth DIY geek!
>
>Tim Servo
>"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein

Re: [Evolver] FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

2003-01-29 by Paul Nagle

>>PCs crash, Macs crash, they all crash. (Holds up Evolver) This doesn't
>>crash. It runs all the time, and it'll still run five or ten or twenty years
>>from now." 

Mine crashed recently, just once... no idea why, as yet. Something to
do with making lots of very fast edits perhaps, especially working
with the mod sources and whizzing around the panel at high speed. OK,
I still don't have a clue why....

Paul

Re: [Evolver] FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

2003-01-29 by Dave Fulton

They all crash...

Old Sequential stuff (Six/multi/max). 2002
Some of the old Oberhiem stuff Matrix 6? 
Rare... Very Rare..

New Stuff.

Waldorf...grrrrr
Access. not as often. mini grrrr..
But when these crash it's ugly.

Alesis....Grrr lite
At least it does not generate noise and you are safe even if the UI did
crash the keys still work.

Evolver.. Ehhh whatever.
We are back to that rare thing again! Nice.

SW synths. 
All the time!
Better with OSX.

Nord Modular:mostly good. (When you disconnect it from the PC/MAC.)

dave
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Paul Nagle wrote:

> 
> >>PCs crash, Macs crash, they all crash. (Holds up Evolver) This doesn't
> >>crash. It runs all the time, and it'll still run five or ten or twenty years
> >>from now." 
> 
> Mine crashed recently, just once... no idea why, as yet. Something to
> do with making lots of very fast edits perhaps, especially working
> with the mod sources and whizzing around the panel at high speed. OK,
> I still don't have a clue why....
> 
> Paul
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Re: [Evolver] FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

2003-01-29 by simon leclerc

Very interesting Jeffrey (and Dave !)
Thanks !

on 29/01/03 1:18 PM, Jeffrey D. McEachin at jdm@... wrote:

I got this on another list, thought you'd enjoy:

>From: Tim Parkhurst <tparkhurst@...>
>To: synth-diy@...
>Subject: [sdiy] AES Meeting - Evolver
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:34:11 -0800

>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive me for the rather long post, but last night's AES meeting
>with Dave Smith was VERY entertaining and VERY informative. The Evolver is
>nothing short of revolutionary (IMHO) and learning more about it's innards
>was incredibly inspirational.
>
>Dave gave an informal, but very entertaining talk that covered several
>subjects including his new company, synthesizers in general, the design
>philosophy and genesis of the Evolver, and some guesses as to the future.
>Although I'll try not to waste bandwidth with all of my notes, here are what
>I thought were the highlights:
>
>*****Dave Smith Instruments:
>"I love being a one-man company. I work out of my house, I don't have a big
>office to pay for, and I don't have to argue with someone or go to marketing
>if I want to change something or add a feature."
>
>"The drawback of being a one-man shop is that it's lonely (laughs). That's
>why I call Roger (Linn) all the time to bounce ideas off him."
>
>"I really like feedback and things that are a little out of control."
>
>http://www.davesmithinstruments.com
>
>
>*****The synth industry:
>"25 years ago, one guy could do everything. Things were more 'hardware'
>oriented. Along came the DX7 and that era, and all of the sudden you needed
>very large investments in custom chips and lots of software. Now, things are
>coming back to the point where a one-man operation can work. I do web
>searches for parts and price quotes, download part spec sheets, I outsource
>the manufacturing, and all the PCB layout and software writing is done with
>relatively cheap tools that run on a fast, cheap PC."
>
>"I didn't want to do another retro analog synth. I wanted something with a
>LOT of personality. I didn't want to do another software synthesizer either.
>All the software synthesizers now seem to have a certain 'sameness' to them.
>Software is definitely the wave of the future, but it's just not the same. I
>wanted a neat little box to hold. I see a lot of room in the future to
>explore the combination of analog and digital hardware."
>
>"There are several problems with making a software synthesizer. For one, for
>every soft synth you sell, you give away ten (referring to piracy). Also,
>anyone who graduates from college can write a software synthesizer...and
>half of them are! And the biggest problem is the OS. You spend half your
>time porting to this OS and then that OS and this driver and that driver. A
>lot of times, software has problems that are completely out of your control.
>PCs crash, Macs crash, they all crash. (Holds up Evolver) This doesn't
>crash. It runs all the time, and it'll still run five or ten or twenty years
>from now." 
>
>"There is NO way you could get everyone to agree on what should be included
>in a MIDI 2.0 spec. I don't think it will ever happen."
>
>*****Evolver:
>Notes: Dave uses Eagle for PCB layout, 18 series PIC micros (programmed in
>C), Analog Devices 2191 DSP programmed in fixed-point mode ("If I had it to
>do over again, I'd do it in floating-point," said Dave).
>
>"I was amazed by how easy it was to get into all this. So many manufacturers
>help you with application notes and things. Like the switcher. I had to
>design a switching power supply, all I did was copy stuff from ap notes.
>They say 'do this, use this part, lay out the board like this, and it'll
>work.' So I did that, and it worked!"
>
>The 48kHz coming off the CODEC was the biggest emission problem when doing
>FCC and CE testing. The Evolver had to go through twice, which ended up
>costing about six thousand dollars.
>
>The Evolver uses a wall wart for AC conversion. The benefits of this are
>1) It's very easy to use the unit overseas. The wall wart works from 100VAC
>to 240VAC and includes three different plug adaptors. Dave has shipped to
>over twenty countries. About 40% of Evolvers are shipped overseas.
>2) You don't have to apply for UL certification if you use a pre-approved
>wall wart. Apparently this is the main reason for their popularity.
>
>Simple wave sequencing can be done with the two digital oscillators. Dave
>used the waves from the VS. New waves can be downloaded through SysEx,
>although there is currently no editor/converter program available.
>
>There are four sixteen-step sequencers that can run simultaneously. Each one
>can control the pitch of a different oscillator! Unfortunately, the
>sequencers cannot control external equipment. Dave said he really didn't
>think anyone would want to use such a simple sequencer to control other
>stuff, but he's been surprised by how many people have asked for this
>capability. This will probably be added in the near future, as the firmware
>can be upgraded through SysEx.
>
>The sound chain goes DSP -> D/A -> Analog (VCO, VCF, VCA) -> A/D
>There are two feedback loops (with a tunable delay) that go from the A/D
>back to the D/A. These loops can also act as oscillators (great for
>Karplus-Strong stuff). Check the signal path at
>
>http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/downloads/signal_flow.pdf
>
>There are two ICs labled "Marion" in the Evolver. Apparently, these were
>designed by Doug Curtis for a Tom Oberheim project that never got off the
>ground! Dave says he has a source to fab new chips when these units run out
>(in about a year and a half). He also mentioned briefly that Doug may be
>producing and reissuing some of the old Curtis chips again.
>
>There are NO TRIMMERS on the Evolver PCB! All analog trimming and tuning is
>done digitally. It is a VERY clean layout, and amazingly compact for what it
>includes. There is a picture on the Dave Smith Instruments web site for
>those who want to see.
>
>********************************************
>All in all, it was a very entertaining evening. The Evolver sounds AMAZING!
>Dave did demos with a single Evolver sitting on a desk. No keyboard, no
>outboard effects, nothing. It was hard to believe that all that sound was
>coming out of a single monophonic synth!
>
>One quote from Roger Linn that I thought was interesting. "I try not to use
>any components that I can't get out of the Digi-Key catalog. They have a lot
>of stuff in stock, you can get it in a day or two if you need it, and a lot
>of times they can beat the price of the big distributors." All in all, I
>think we live in a GREAT time to be a Synth DIY geek!
>
>Tim Servo
>"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein



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Re: [Evolver] FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

2003-02-01 by thligrdd <onthesurface@cox.net>

Heh, Dave knows it crashes, I told him that the very first day I got 
mine (which was I believe the second day that anybody got theirs 
retail), and he verified that the second day. It has something to do 
with adjusting the first mod matrix slot. Of course, I haven't 
experienced it since I got my second evolver, so maybe he fixed that 
with the 1.1 OS rev even though that rev was supposedly only made to 
accomodate the new external (external to the Marion chips) VCAs. 

I don't mean to bash Dave, I think very few people have experienced 
any of the known bugs that exist with the evolver. He's mostly 
correct, the evolver is almost crash-proof. 


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <paul@s...> wrote:
> 
> >>PCs crash, Macs crash, they all crash. (Holds up Evolver) This 
doesn't
> >>crash. It runs all the time, and it'll still run five or ten or 
twenty years
> >>from now." 
> 
> Mine crashed recently, just once... no idea why, as yet. Something 
to
> do with making lots of very fast edits perhaps, especially working
> with the mod sources and whizzing around the panel at high speed. 
OK,
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> I still don't have a clue why....
> 
> Paul

Re: [Evolver] FWD: AES Meeting - Evolver

2003-02-01 by Paul Nagle

On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:04:49 -0000, "thligrdd <onthesurface@...>"
<onthesurface@...> wrote:


>I don't mean to bash Dave, I think very few people have experienced 
>any of the known bugs that exist with the evolver. He's mostly 
>correct, the evolver is almost crash-proof. 

Me neither, this is a very rare occurance.

Paul

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