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mopho vs. evolver

mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-08 by mobyturbo

I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds? 

(I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)

Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.

Re: [DSI Synths] mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-29 by newton pulsifer

heya,


mopho and evolver are quite different beasts. while mopho is concentrating only on obtaining classic analog sounds(with the help of the sub osc) - deep basses an stuff, the evolver is much complexer, due to its routing possibilities and hybrid character.

i suggest you take a closer look at the characteristics of these two synths. you'll find everything you need on dave smit's web page:


http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/


and it's equally important you take a look on youtube to see those beasts in action.

anyway, it's just a mater of choice. of what sound you really like. if you're more inclined on mopho-side you might consider a tetra as well. it's just like 4 mophos but without the external imput feature.


good luck mate!

:)

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Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-29 by spinach_pizza

The digital oscillators in the evolver are easily capable of creating very beautiful sounds, and are definitely not limited to "harsh."

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...> wrote:
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> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds? 
> 
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)
> 
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>

Re: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-29 by Bob S.

I perfectly agree....90% of my 30+ synths are digital oscillator based and I have them for the smooth, evolving, complex and layered sounds they add to my music....
Bob
El Segundo, CA
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Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver

The digital oscillators in the evolver are easily capable of creating very beautiful sounds, and are definitely not limited to "harsh."

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?
>
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)
>
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>

Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-29 by wasteking1

every synth has its "voice'--its personality.  You really have to try a few to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one  over another.I would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can  usually benefit from a mix of the 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...> wrote:
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> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds? 
> 
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)
> 
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>

Re: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-29 by dustin sedlacek

I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.


I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
3 delay lines
distortion
high pass filter
low pass filter with distortion

Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)

Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger effect

Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your guitar

Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.

Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output hack parameter.

Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO

many many many things are possible with the evolver.

oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators would be digital on the evolver)
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...m> wrote:

every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?
>
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)
>
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>




--
Dustin

Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-30 by Richard

> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am
> not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the 
> desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good 
> analog sounds out of the 

If I could do it over I'd avoid the desktop models and go for a keyboard version with lots of controls, especially if the keyboard has aftertouch.  I can get around the desktop Evolver, especially after going through the Definitive Guide, but it's still kind of awkward (you need two hands on the unit), and I've never liked software editors for hardware. 

Rik

Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-30 by deepestdarkestfunk

I have an Evolver as well, and recently tried out a Mopho.  They are different beasts, and to say that Evolver can do everything that the Mopho can do is not accurate.  All synths have one primary purpose: to make a tone.  Mopho and Evolver have different tonal characters.  The analog oscillators and filter do NOT sound the same in both units.  The Mopho sounds a LOT fatter, thicker, warmer, greasier than Evolver, very analog, very nice bass.  Reminds me a lot of a Pro-One.   Evolver sounds more like a box of aliens and their android servants after they've eaten Martian shrooms or something, kind of like a slightly thinly voiced Prophet VS.  For versatility, Evolver wins, hands down.  Routing wise, Evolver has a lot more going on, and the interface seems nicer (to me, for live settings and rapid programming purposes) with a matrix and no more than two button presses to get to any parameter in the unit instead of menu pages.  

I want a Mopho.  I'd say get both. 

$.02      

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...> wrote:
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>
> I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback
> is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.
> 
> 
> I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
> 3 delay lines
> distortion
> high pass filter
> low pass filter with distortion
> 
> Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds
> exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)
> 
> Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger
> effect
> 
> Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your
> guitar
> 
> Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.
> 
> Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output
> hack parameter.
> 
> Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO
> 
> many many many things are possible with the evolver.
> 
> oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators
> would be digital on the evolver)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few
> > to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I
> > would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most
> > of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you
> > a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the
> > 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mobyturbo" <joshua613@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not
> > certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or
> > perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the
> > evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial"
> > and other harsher sounds?
> > >
> > > (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
> > experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get
> > the real thing.)
> > >
> > > Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dustin
>

Re: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-30 by Robert Krueger

I pretty much agree with all of this. I have both as well. I'm thinking of getting the keyboard mopho so that I have the controls all right there, plus the keyboard has aftertouch which is quite nice as a modulation source.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM, deepestdarkestfunk <deepestdarkestfunk@...> wrote:

I have an Evolver as well, and recently tried out a Mopho. They are different beasts, and to say that Evolver can do everything that the Mopho can do is not accurate. All synths have one primary purpose: to make a tone. Mopho and Evolver have different tonal characters. The analog oscillators and filter do NOT sound the same in both units. The Mopho sounds a LOT fatter, thicker, warmer, greasier than Evolver, very analog, very nice bass. Reminds me a lot of a Pro-One. Evolver sounds more like a box of aliens and their android servants after they9;ve eaten Martian shrooms or something, kind of like a slightly thinly voiced Prophet VS. For versatility, Evolver wins, hands down. Routing wise, Evolver has a lot more going on, and the interface seems nicer (to me, for live settings and rapid programming purposes) with a matrix and no more than two button presses to get to any parameter in the unit instead of menu pages.

I want a Mopho. I'd say get both.

$.02

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek wrote:
>
> I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback
> is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.
>
>
> I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
> 3 delay lines
> distortion
> high pass filter
> low pass filter with distortion
>
> Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds
> exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)
>
> Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger
> effect
>;
> Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your
> guitar
>
> Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.
>
> Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output
> hack parameter.
>
> Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO
>
> many many many things are possible with the evolver.
>
> oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators
> would be digital on the evolver)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few
> > to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I
> > would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most
> > of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you
> > a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the
> > 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mobyturbo" wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not
> > certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or
> > perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the
> > evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial"
> > and other harsher sounds?
> > >
> > > (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
> > experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get
> > the real thing.)
> > >
> > > Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dustin
>


Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-06-30 by keysolly

+1 for the Evolver.
And I agree the digital oscillators can be beautiful.
I had a Prophet for a while, but kept coming back to the Evolver because the kind of monophonic patches I made on it could be reproduced on the Evolver, and then some!
Such a full featured little synth, with so many colours. It's quite handily laid out too if you don't mind 'shift' functions.
In that respect, the Mopho Keyboard looks like one his most refined designs yet. You can now edit oscillators simultaneously, rather than adjusting things like 'glide' (portamento) for each separate oscillator.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...> wrote:
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>
> I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback
> is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.
> 
> 
> I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
> 3 delay lines
> distortion
> high pass filter
> low pass filter with distortion
> 
> Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds
> exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)
> 
> Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger
> effect
> 
> Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your
> guitar
> 
> Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.
> 
> Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output
> hack parameter.
> 
> Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO
> 
> many many many things are possible with the evolver.
> 
> oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators
> would be digital on the evolver)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few
> > to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I
> > would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most
> > of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you
> > a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the
> > 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mobyturbo" <joshua613@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not
> > certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or
> > perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the
> > evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial"
> > and other harsher sounds?
> > >
> > > (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
> > experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get
> > the real thing.)
> > >
> > > Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dustin
>

Re: mopho vs. evolver

2010-09-10 by motorzot

If you want more experience in programming, then the MoPho Keyboard is a no-brainer in my book.  You won't have the versatility of the Desktop Evolver but you'd have a still hard time looking for limitations in the MoPho.

Plus it has that certain "depth" of sound that will keep your interest for a long time.  

Even though I own a Virus and two Evolvers, the rational (and hardly ever used) side of my brain says that I could get away with owning only the MoPho and some tasty delays and effects.

I'd say the same thing about a used LilPhatty.  Why do the two best "entry level" mono's sound like they were named by a mall rat trying to sound street???

Have fun with your decision,
Tommy

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rikp1964@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am
> > not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the 
> > desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good 
> > analog sounds out of the 
> 
> If I could do it over I'd avoid the desktop models and go for a keyboard version with lots of controls, especially if the keyboard has aftertouch.  I can get around the desktop Evolver, especially after going through the Definitive Guide, but it's still kind of awkward (you need two hands on the unit), and I've never liked software editors for hardware. 
> 
> Rik
>

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