Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

The PM-16 and midiKITI have no sounds of their own. They have to use 
the Yamaha's. But if you're planning to add stereo or trio rubber 
pads, don't get either one, because they can't process them, only 
single or dual zone pads.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Hey ed, if we use the PM-16 is it possible to use the Yamaha 
sounds 
> or do we have to use the PM-16 sounds?  I don't even know if this 
is 
> possible...  And the yamaha triggers will work correctly for sure 
> right?
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Alternate Mode are at www.alternatemode.com. If that fails, 
> Broadway 
> > Music Consignments in Nashville were advertising a PM-16 for 
$100, 
> > which is about right (1-800-4U2-PLAY). I've never used the PM-
16, 
> > but other members of this group have, and do. 
> > 
> > Hey, glad to help. I hope something turns up. It usually does.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially considering 
> that 
> > > this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH for 
> > Yamaha, 
> > > I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the 
> > MidiKITI 
> > > or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by the 
> > > way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't get 
> with 
> > > it 
> > > > is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to 
> open), 
> > > > which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. 
The 
> > DM 
> > > > Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll get 
> the 
> > > > Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable 
> > parameters. 
> > > > You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player 
either. 
> > You 
> > > > should research both Alesis modules carefully before 
jumping. 
> > > > 
> > > > The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a better 
> buy 
> > > for 
> > > > you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in 
an 
> > > > enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or PM-
> 16 
> > > yet 
> > > > either. I take back what I said about the discontinued 
Roland 
> > > being 
> > > > a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small company 
> that 
> > > now 
> > > > handles Kat products, has great technical support. You could 
> > also 
> > > > ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you 
> might 
> > > get 
> > > > one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with a 
> > seller 
> > > > in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I just sent this seller an email about the 
MidiKITI...we'll 
> > see 
> > > if 
> > > > > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
> > > > > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis 
> DM-
> > 5 
> > > or 
> > > > a 
> > > > > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if 
I 
> > can 
> > > > not 
> > > > > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if 
and 
> > when 
> > > I 
> > > > > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported 
> that 
> > he 
> > > > has 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe 
you 
> > can 
> > > > > reach 
> > > > > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, 
if 
> > > > you're 
> > > > > > interested. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the 
> > > internet 
> > > > > (the 
> > > > > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask 
> him 
> > if 
> > > > he 
> > > > > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, 
I 
> > > will 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the 
DTXII 
> > > > modile, 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the 
> WEB 
> > > and 
> > > > > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can 
> > find 
> > > > one?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, 
> doesn't 
> > > like 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able 
to 
> > > delete 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly 
> > with 
> > > > > > > customers 
> > > > > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) 
or 
> > the 
> > > > > email 
> > > > > > > link 
> > > > > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a 
> > phone 
> > > > > > number 
> > > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your 
> call 
> > > or 
> > > > > > email 
> > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let 
me 
> > know 
> > > > if 
> > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next 
time 
> I 
> > > > speak 
> > > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk 
> > between 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > bell 
> > > > > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection 
> and 
> > > > > > lowering 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to 
> tinker 
> > > and 
> > > > > test 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, 
and 
> > I'm 
> > > > > > really 
> > > > > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online 
> > > > store...I 
> > > > > > > can't 
> > > > > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice 
> > mail 
> > > on 
> > > > > > their 
> > > > > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and 
> as 
> > > > > > > sensitively 
> > > > > > > > as 
> > > > > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell 
is 
> > > > > generous 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine 
> the 
> > > > level 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
> > > > definitely 
> > > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my 
> > > > midiKITI, 
> > > > > > > which 
> > > > > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but 
> it 
> > > > works 
> > > > > > too 
> > > > > > > > well 
> > > > > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In 
> > fact, 
> > > it 
> > > > > > makes 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without 
> > > layering. 
> > > > > The 
> > > > > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing 
> > surface 
> > > > > over 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some 
> other 
> > > > > cymbals, 
> > > > > > > but 
> > > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a 
> monitor 
> > > > won't 
> > > > > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
> > > > > comfortable 
> > > > > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from 
a 
> > > lamp 
> > > > in 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is 
> > > > brilliant. 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > > can 
> > > > > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like 
playin' 
> > on 
> > > > real 
> > > > > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite 
> Ride...how 
> > > is 
> > > > it?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can 
add 
> > new 
> > > > pads 
> > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads 
or 
> > one 
> > > > dual-
> > > > > > > zone 
> > > > > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you 
> both 
> > > rim 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > body 
> > > > > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely 
on 
> > the 
> > > > > way. 
> > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as 
the 
> > > basis 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > it, 
> > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the 
> > signal 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is 
to 
> > make 
> > > a 
> > > > > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha 
modules 
> > with 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > flick 
> > > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-
> talk 
> > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and 
he 
> > > said 
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more 
pads 
> > in 
> > > > lieu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest 
in 
> > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, 
> and 
> > > > call 
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the 
Visulites, 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would 
be 
> > > great 
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your 
> help.  
> > I 
> > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the 
Visulite 
> > > Ride 
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk 
> problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had 
> > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is 
> the 
> > > Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is 
> > > terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). 
My 
> > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant 
> > looking 
> > > > > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either 
> > dual-
> > > > zone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). 
I 
> > hope 
> > > > to 
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time 
with 
> > it. 
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's 
cymbals 
> > in 
> > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi 
hat. 
> At 
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha 
> > compatible 
> > > hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
<jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of 
> > > cymbals 
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  
Hart, 
> > > > Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII 
module?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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