Steve, I sent a reply to your latest post about 10 hour ago, and then an hour after that, but neither showed up. Take 3: Crosstalk is the result of vibration along the rack. The rejection parameters in a module or interface don't eliminate vibration; they simply mute a pad, for a split second, to protect it from sympathetic reaction when another one is hit--provided both triggers are connected to the same unit. In other words, crosstalk doesn't occur inside the module, even though the remedy for it does. That's why crosstalk between pads connected to the dtx and the PM-16 is so problematical; the triggers have no electronic common denominator to ensure their independence. If you place your cymbal on a separate stand, you will thereby solve the problem, at the cost of complicating your physical setup a little. For example, many of us place our snares on a separate stand, to allow, among other things, ultra-sensitive trigger parameters completely oblivious to the threat of crosstalk. As I said before, the best, or most economical, defense, however, would be to group triggers on the dtx and the PM- 16 according to their crosstalk susceptibility. Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Parker" <stepar@a...> wrote: > Ed, > Thanks for your persistence. I definately am not hitting something else on the DTX. If I disconnect the cymbol cable, I get a pure sound on the toms. I also don't get the crosstalk all the time, usually when I first strike the pad. Also, I am not having this problem with other toms connected to the PM-16, just the ones that are connected to the rack right next to the cymbols, that's why I thought it might be a vibration thing going on. If it truly was crosstalk and I connected the cymbols to a floor cymbol stand then I should still have the problem, correct? If the problem went away, then it is vibration and not crosstalk, correct? Unfortunately, I just practiced with my band last night, so my drums are not currently set up. > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:38 PM > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: reducing vibration > > > Steve, > > I'm on the road, but I wanted to make one thing clear. Rejection > proper is also a local phenomenon on the dtx. In principle, it, like > specific rejection, won't work on crosstalk emanating from pads > connected to another interface either. But the longshot is that when > you hit the tom on the PM-16, you may also be hitting something on > the dtx, like the kick--at least some of the time--that will activate > rejection and protect the cymbal. Like I said, it's a longshot. In > general, the PM-16 and the dtx have to take care of their own. > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > That can be trouble. When trying to keep crosstalk down in a case > > like that, it's best to have triggers that are susceptible to each > > other connected to the same interface whenever possible, just so > > that you can target them specifically if the interface lets you. I > > don't recall what provisions the PM-16 makes for isolating > > particular triggers from each other, but UNH or Walt should be able > > to tell you. Until they show up, if the cymbal on the dtx is > > reacting to the toms on the PM-16, you might be able to find a > > general rejection setting for the cymbal on the dtx that eliminates > > the crosstalk from vibration (remember to keep the value as low as > > you can; rejection essentially mutes the protected pad for a brief > > interval when other triggers are hit at a force within the range of > > the rejection setting; you can see how that might create other > > difficulties). Unfortunately, because the dtx's specific rejection > > works only on local pads, it is irrelevant in this case. But you > can > > also try reducing the cymbal's gain and raising its min. vel. a > > touch, if you can afford it. > > > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Parker" <stepar@a...> > wrote: > > > Ed, > > > Thanks for the education. One thing I forgot to mention was that > > the crosstalk is coming from pads plugged into my PM-16, where the > > cymbols are plugged into the DTX. Does that change anything? > > > > > > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:50 AM > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: reducing vibration > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > The official term for that kind of vibration interference is > > > crosstalk, and the module's cure for it comes under various > > forms of > > > rejection in the trigger menu. If a particular cymbal is > > reacting to > > > a particular tom when struck, go into the trigger menu for that > > > cymbal and toggle pages until you get to the specific rejection > > > page. Set that particular cymbal/input--which I assume is on > > either > > > input 6 or input 7--to specifically reject that tom, but only > as > > > high a value as necessary to do the trick. Rejection reduces > the > > > responsiveness of the pad that's protected. If you're having > > more > > > general trouble protecting that cymbal from crosstalk, then > > access > > > the rejection page--rather than, or in addition to, specific > > > rejection--to set a number just high enough to stop the > > crosstalk. > > > > > > As if that weren't enough, sometimes gain and/or min.velocity > > > settings can affect crosstalk as well. If your gain on that > > cymbal > > > is very high, it will be more susceptible to external > > interference. > > > Likewise, if its min.vel. setting is very low, it may also > > attract > > > crosstalk more easily. The trick is find gain, min. velociy, > > and > > > rej. settings that will allow you to get the sensitivity that > > you > > > want without triggering the wrong pads in the process. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "pinachee <stepar@a...>" > > > <stepar@a...> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I've been having a problem with hearing a cymbol sound when I > > hit > > > my > > > > toms that are attached to the same piece of pipe and the > > vibration > > > > from hitting the tom is setting off the cymbol. Has anyone > > done > > > > anything to prevent this problem, like put tape on the pipe > > under > > > the > > > > cymbol clamp. If I can't find a solution, I might have to > > just > > > attach > > > > the cymbols to cymbol stands instead of directly on the bar. > > Any > > > > ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. At 46, I'm not quite > > as > > > old > > > > as some of you old timers, but I'm no kid either....lol. OK, > > I > > > guess > > > > we are all still kids. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: reducing vibration
2003-03-02 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>