Yes, I'm willing to go on record as first-hand information-- the Roland (and Yamaha) rubber pads use a piezo for the center of the head and an FSR for the rim. This is the only setup that will allow dual triggering on inputs 1-8 on the DTX v2.0 and 2-12 on the TD-10. BP On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 sanctum@... wrote: > Yes I was Brandon. > I've read in previous articles that Roland uses piezo sensors for all their rim triggers, but I've never played with a Roland setup enough to know first hand, so if you have first hand knowledge to the contrary Im willing to change my point of view. > > ---------- > From: Brandon E Paluzzi > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:27 PM > To: 'DTXpress@egroups.com' > Subject: RE: [DTXpress] New Pad Advice > > Are you talking about my message? > > I said that the Roland uses dual piezos (on the mesh head pads) > > The rubber pads are a piezo head sensor and an FSR rim trigger, like the > yamahas. > > Bp > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 sanctum@... wrote: > > > The DTXpress only has on dual input, and I'm not sure you're right > >about the Roland using condensers for the rim triggers, I've read > >previously that the rim triggers in Roland pads are just piezo sensors. > >alittle conflicting information going arround obviously, if you've had > >first hand experience of this I'm willing to change my perspective. > >By the By, the DTX V2.0 seems to have far less irritating bugs than the > >DTXpress, is that right? Is it worth the extra dosh, I may upgrade. > > > > ---------- > > From: Brandon E Paluzzi > > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 6:08 PM > > To: 'DTXpress@egroups.com' > > Subject: RE: [DTXpress] New Pad Advice > > > > Actually, you'd have the same problem with the Roland. > > > > There are two different types of inputs on all Roland and Yamaha modules. > > > > There are stereo inputs, which are found on inputs 2-12 on the TD-10, and > > 1-8 on the Yamaha modules. > > > > These are designed to only give dual zone triggering with rubber pads. > > This is because rubber pads use a piezo as the primary (head) trigger, but > > an FSR (force-sensing resistor) as the second trigger. This is the only > > way to get double zone out of a stereo trigger. > > > > The second type of input is a dual input. This is found on input 1 on the > > TD-10, and inputs 9/10 and 11/12 on the DTX. Don't let the numbering > > confuse you-- The inputs are exactly the same. They allow for two piezo > > inputs. This means that you can either split two separate (single zone) > > pads, or use a dual piezo pad. Dual piezo pads include the 12" and 8" > > dual pads from Roland, Spacemuffins from BOom Theory, and the Pintech and > > Hart Dynamics dual triggers. > > > > > > So, since we've discovered that the problem is the same on Roland and > > Yamaha, with the Yammies you're actually better off, since you have two > > dual inputs. (with the drawback being the 8 stereo, opposed to the > > Roland's 11) > > > > Brandon > > > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 sanctum@... wrote: > > >recommend the Pintech dual zone ST (SilenTech) snare at around $190 If I > > >remember correctl it's a 14" snare with a mesh head and rim triggers. > > >The only drawback of this route is that using the 9/10 channels you don't > > >have true rim to pad triggering control so I worry you may get alot of > > >crosstalk, I hope others will comment on that as I know some people have > > >already gone down this route. If you bought a Yamaha dual zone pad > > >however, it would go into channel 2 - snare, since all your channels are > > >stereo anyway, this gives full rim to pad trigger and voice control, but > > >using a rubber dual zone pad isn't anything like playing a real snare > > >with rimshots. Compromises all round I'm afraid, if only Yamaha had > > >built their stereo sockets like Roland do there'd be no problem, but > > >Yamaha use a different technology for their rim triggers to their pad > > >triggers, so you cant split jacks 1-8 for two pad inputs, I know, I've > > >tried. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > bp33@... http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/bp33/ > > > > Carnegie Mellon University, Class of 2000 > > Information and Decision Systems, > > Human Computer Interaction, and Jazz Performance > > > > Tartan Ice Hockey Quiddity Kiltie Band > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Law.com is the preeminent online destination for legal professionals. > > Visit Law.com for exclusive content from American Lawyer Media, online > > CLE Seminars, Practice Centers and Career Listings. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/5803/12/_/643449/_/963162512/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Old school buds here: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/5536/12/_/643449/_/963249699/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > bp33@... http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/bp33/ > > Carnegie Mellon University, Class of 2000 > Information and Decision Systems, > Human Computer Interaction, and Jazz Performance > > Tartan Ice Hockey Quiddity Kiltie Band > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/12/_/643449/_/963250059/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to be the first to know? > Be the first to see sneak peeks of new music, movies and games! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6693/12/_/643449/_/963342948/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bp33@... http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/bp33/ Carnegie Mellon University, Class of 2000 Information and Decision Systems, Human Computer Interaction, and Jazz Performance Tartan Ice Hockey Quiddity Kiltie Band
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RE: [DTXpress] New Pad Advice
2000-07-12 by Brandon E Paluzzi