Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

--- Vick wrote:
> Looking to retain some of the acoustic look...

I was pondering if it might be feasible to mount the TP100 pads 
*inside* the top of a regular A shell.

Perhaps a couple of inexpensive 12" tom shells, cut in half and with 
top hoop and lugs fitted, and some sort of cushioned support system 
so that the TP100s would just lie, snug as a bug in a rug, at the 
right height at the top of the shell. You could do the same with the 
TP120.

Just the musings of a slightly tired old man. Ignore me, I'll fall 
asleep soon and leave you all alone.

Stewart

Have you considered Pintech Pads Instead of Hart Dynamics, I own 2 Pintech kits (1 Visual Custom and 1 Custom Studio Elite)  The heads are mesh and tensionable, but it does not affect triggering, it just adjusts the feel of the pads.  Their concertcast pads look a lot like real drums (especially the tour elite version.)  Check them out at www.pintechworld.com. 

temp1111 <temp1111@...> wrote:LOL.... I've had those thoughts as well, and if time was on my side, I might be driven to more experimentation, but alas, it is not.
 
I've just searched thru the archives to find other discussions regarding generally mesh vs rubber, and now I'm more uncertain, as it seems that some folks are really impressed with mesh, and some like me have really been impressed with the DTX2S rubber.
 
Now I'm not sure if I should add the Hart drums in to keep the acoustic look, or if I should go with all Yamaha pads to keep the consistant rubber feel across the kit and with much regret, sacrifice the look... man, this sucks... yamaha... are you listening... build a TP-100 that looks like an acoustic... thanks...
 
Vick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: moosetication 
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Hart Mesh vs. Yamaha Rubber


--- Vick wrote:
> Looking to retain some of the acoustic look...

I was pondering if it might be feasible to mount the TP100 pads 
*inside* the top of a regular A shell.

Perhaps a couple of inexpensive 12" tom shells, cut in half and with 
top hoop and lugs fitted, and some sort of cushioned support system 
so that the TP100s would just lie, snug as a bug in a rug, at the 
right height at the top of the shell. You could do the same with the 
TP120.

Just the musings of a slightly tired old man. Ignore me, I'll fall 
asleep soon and leave you all alone.

Stewart



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "temp1111" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> LOL.... I've had those thoughts as well, and if time was on my 
side, I might be driven to more experimentation, but alas, it is not.
> 
> I've just searched thru the archives to find other discussions 
regarding generally mesh vs rubber, and now I'm more uncertain, as it 
seems that some folks are really impressed with mesh, and some like 
me have really been impressed with the DTX2S rubber.
> 
> Now I'm not sure if I should add the Hart drums in to keep the 
acoustic look, or if I should go with all Yamaha pads to keep the 
consistant rubber feel across the kit and with much regret, sacrifice 
the look... man, this sucks... yamaha... are you listening... build a 
TP-100 that looks like an acoustic... thanks...

Vick,

At some point during his current clinic tour, Tony V was to test the 
Hart pads with the DTXTIIS module for Yamaha. I'm sure that we'll 
have results of the mating in due time. By the way, the Harts are 
solidly and reliably constructed. As with all mesh pads, the tension 
of the heads must be tight enough to create a uniform signal for the 
foam to transmit along to the piezo--not a big deal. Trying to 
integrate triggers with acoustic drums and a module can be much more 
of headache, for a number of reasons. Assuming that the Hart meshes 
work adequately with Yamaha electronics (which was not always the 
case), the only real problem is which particular mesh head to fit on 
them. The Hart two-plies used to be the skin of choice, with a mylar 
feel, until Roland found a way to expunge them from the market. The 
Hart single-ply supers may be a decent approximation, though I've 
never used them. As someone who's tried a variety of mesh heads and 
the Yamaha TP 100 series rubber pads, I happily testify that the 
Yamahas are a genuine contender. I admit to being skeptical that any 
rubber component could compete with a the best that mesh has to 
offer, but I was dead wrong. 

Ed

Anthony/Team:

I just finally set up my DTXpress II v2 this am!
Could you help an another old man (at 44) with a couple quick questions?

I added a Pintech Dual Zone mesh snare pad.
I am using the 3 Zone Yamaha pad that came with the kit as the ride.

The rest of the kit will be used stock for now.

I hope to:

1. Be able to use both zones on the Pintech Snare for a separate snare 
and rim sound. How do I add to the lineup? Do I need a "Y" cable? What 
do you suggest as far as plugging in what input(s) and setting?

2. Use the 3 Zone Yamaha as a ride with the edge set as the bell sound.
How do I add to the lineup? Do I need a "Y" cable? What do you suggest 
as far as plugging in what input(s) and setting?

3. I would like to use the two cymbal pads that came with just as 
crashes, I assume I can daisy chain them and with all the other 
requirements they will just be available to trigger the same sound?

Sorry if I am being lazy by asking and not experimenting. I had a few 
Ian Paice :) flashbacks this morning and am a little slow, then my 
daughter started to fuss. Thank you all sincerely in advance.

Cheers

Don

On Sep 6, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Anthony Robinson wrote:

> Have you considered Pintech Pads Instead of Hart Dynamics, I own 2 
> Pintech kits (1 Visual Custom and 1 Custom Studio Elite)  The heads 
> are mesh and tensionable, but it does not affect triggering, it just 
> adjusts the feel of the pads.  Their concertcast pads look a lot like 
> real drums (especially the tour elite version.)  Check them out at 
> www.pintechworld.com.
>
> temp1111 <temp1111@...> wrote:
>  LOL.... I've had those thoughts as well, and if time was on my side, 
> I might be driven to more experimentation, but alas, it is not.
>  
> I've just searched thru the archives to find other discussions 
> regarding generally mesh vs rubber, and now I'm more uncertain, as it 
> seems that some folks are really impressed with mesh, and some like me 
> have really been impressed with the DTX2S rubber.
>  
> Now I'm not sure if I should add the Hart drums in to keep the 
> acoustic look, or if I should go with all Yamaha pads to keep the 
> consistant rubber feel across the kit and with much regret, sacrifice 
> the look... man, this sucks... yamaha... are you listening... build a 
> TP-100 that looks like an acoustic... thanks...
>  
> Vick
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: moosetication
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:36 AM
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Hart Mesh vs. Yamaha Rubber
>
> --- Vick wrote:
> > Looking to retain some of the acoustic look...
>
> I was pondering if it might be feasible to mount the TP100 pads
>  *inside* the top of a regular A shell.
>
> Perhaps a couple of inexpensive 12" tom shells, cut in half and with
>  top hoop and lugs fitted, and some sort of cushioned support system
>  so that the TP100s would just lie, snug as a bug in a rug, at the
>  right height at the top of the shell. You could do the same with the
>  TP120.
>
> Just the musings of a slightly tired old man. Ignore me, I'll fall
>  asleep soon and leave you all alone.
>
> Stewart
>

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Don <contract731@c...> wrote:

Hello, Don,

Welcome to the club.

> 1. Be able to use both zones on the Pintech Snare for a separate 
snare 
> and rim sound. How do I add to the lineup? Do I need a "Y" cable? 
What 
> do you suggest as far as plugging in what input(s) and setting?

You could plug your kick pad into 9/10 and the Pintech rim into the 
kick pad (serving as the conduit for 10), thereby obviating the 
splitter and leaving input 1 for a cymbal with two sounds and either 
input 6 or 7 for your demoted tri-sound snare. To further confuse 
you, you could also run the Pintech's head into the factory snare 
input (2) and the rim into one-half of input 9/10. With that 
configuration, you'd need a TRS "Y" cable or splitter(two monos leads 
to a stereo jack). You could also plug Pintech head and rim into 9/10 
with a single stereo cable. You'd thereby open up input 2 for another 
three-trigger pad, but you'd screw up the expected snare on the 
factory kits.  
 
> 2. Use the 3 Zone Yamaha as a ride with the edge set as the bell 
sound.
> How do I add to the lineup? Do I need a "Y" cable? What do you 
suggest 
> as far as plugging in what input(s) and setting?

You can convert the three-trigger snare as a three-trigger ride, 
through inputs 2, 6,  or 7 (right, gang?), but the feel might not 
satisfy you for long; the new round cymbals are a better bet, if you 
can afford one. Anyway, "Y" cables cannot extract any information 
from these switch-type pads for use in a second (or third) input. 
They provide more than a single sound only via the single inputs for 
which they were designed (that is, all but 9/10, where they will 
provide one sound no matter what you do).
 
> 3. I would like to use the two cymbal pads that came with just as 
> crashes, I assume I can daisy chain them and with all the other 
> requirements they will just be available to trigger the same sound?

As I said, I'd move your single-sound cymbal to input 1 to create 
room for the demoted snare in 6 or 7, thus leaving your two-sound 
cymbal in the other one. Unless my logistics are faulty, you 
shouldn't have any components sharing the same input/sound at this 
point. Getting the kick pad to relieve some of the pressure would 
seem to be the way to go. If not, the option of using input 9 for the 
rim is always open, although it requires a couple of splitters, one 
for the Pintech and one for input 9/10, if all pads are to be 
implemented. One of the DTXpress mavens will correct me if I'm wrong. 

> Sorry if I am being lazy by asking and not experimenting. I had a 
few 
> Ian Paice :) flashbacks this morning and am a little slow, then my 
> daughter started to fuss. Thank you all sincerely in advance.

By the way, we think of you here as "the kid." You ain't old by our 
standards, just your daughter's.

Cheers,
Ed