Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

All,

Can someone comment on what I can expect from a kit that has multiple triggers in a pad. Specifically, the differences in 2 & 3 trigger pads for snares, toms & cymbals?

Thanks,
Larry in NJ

Larry,
 
With a 2 trigger snare you will get a main snare pad sound and a rim switch
for a rim shot sound. With a 3 trigger snare you will get a main pad snare
sound, a rim shot sound and a cross-stick sound. Any of which can be changed
to any sound you like.
 
With a tom pad it is the same as a snare with a 2 trigger pad. With the 3
trigger you usually use the main pad for the basic tom pad sound and the
bottom rim for a rim shot sound. The 3 trigger on the top rim can be used
for anything you want, such as a percussion sound or triggering a pad song
or for changing kit numbers, just depending on which module you have and
which input it is plugged into. On the Dtxpress II/III/IIIsp only inputs 2,
6 & 7 are able to handle all three sounds. On the other inputs 1, 3,4,5,8
you will get only one rim sound even if you have two separate rim switches.
 
With a 2 trigger cymbal, you will get a bow and an edge sound and depending
on which input it is plugged into you will get choking (muting the sound by
grabbing the edge of the cymbal.)
 
With a 3 trigger cymbal, you will get a bell, a bow and an edge sound and
choking. These pads must be plugged into inputs 2, 6 or 7 on the Dtxpress
II/III/IIIsp. The Dtxpress I does not have 3 trigger (zone) ability.
Plugging a 3 trigger(zone) cymbal into a 2 trigger input you will only get
two sound, pad and rim/bell.
 
Just keep in mind that the inputs 1-8 on the Dtxpress are stereo (pad
piezo/ribbon rim switch) and not dual zone (two piezo's). Only input 9/10 is
a dual zone input (or two mono inputs).
 
OGD

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From: a79flh3873@... Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:45 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] 3 trigger pads


All,

Can someone comment on what I can expect from a kit that has multiple
triggers in a pad. Specifically, the differences in 2 & 3 trigger pads for
snares, toms & cymbals?

Thanks,
Larry in NJ

 
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Wow, 

What a shi--y summer...I bit off way more than I can chew and I'm paying the price.  I
love your response OGD.  A lot of us just leap into a thread EGO-first.  I've been
working on several threads and discussions that were just an idiotic waste of time
trying to learn more than I can digest.  I wish the real idiots would get their own
backbone and leave those of us that are patient and serious a reliable place to
interact.

Okay, a question.  I have an Xpress II (Oh, I'm not a drummer.  I'm a bassist grown
weary of the drum-machine) which has a Pintech mesh 2-zone snare; the original xII
2-zone was "insterted" as Tom 1 giving me Tom 1 through 4.  My first task is to
activate Tom 4 for use with factory durm kits.  I would like to avoid creating a new
drum kit while I'm tinkering around and I don't mind that my Tom 4 assignments will not
be saved for now.  If I ever ask too much, please feel free to direct me to the
documentation!

Many Thanks,

greg
 



--- rdamon@... wrote:

> Larry,
>  
> With a 2 trigger snare you will get a main snare pad sound and a rim switch
> for a rim shot sound. With a 3 trigger snare you will get a main pad snare
> sound, a rim shot sound and a cross-stick sound. Any of which can be changed
> to any sound you like.
>  
> With a tom pad it is the same as a snare with a 2 trigger pad. With the 3
> trigger you usually use the main pad for the basic tom pad sound and the
> bottom rim for a rim shot sound. The 3 trigger on the top rim can be used
> for anything you want, such as a percussion sound or triggering a pad song
> or for changing kit numbers, just depending on which module you have and
> which input it is plugged into. On the Dtxpress II/III/IIIsp only inputs 2,
> 6 & 7 are able to handle all three sounds. On the other inputs 1, 3,4,5,8
> you will get only one rim sound even if you have two separate rim switches.
>  
> With a 2 trigger cymbal, you will get a bow and an edge sound and depending
> on which input it is plugged into you will get choking (muting the sound by
> grabbing the edge of the cymbal.)
>  
> With a 3 trigger cymbal, you will get a bell, a bow and an edge sound and
> choking. These pads must be plugged into inputs 2, 6 or 7 on the Dtxpress
> II/III/IIIsp. The Dtxpress I does not have 3 trigger (zone) ability.
> Plugging a 3 trigger(zone) cymbal into a 2 trigger input you will only get
> two sound, pad and rim/bell.
>  
> Just keep in mind that the inputs 1-8 on the Dtxpress are stereo (pad
> piezo/ribbon rim switch) and not dual zone (two piezo's). Only input 9/10 is
> a dual zone input (or two mono inputs).
>  
> OGD
> 
>    _____  
> 
> From: a79flh3873@... Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:45 AM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] 3 trigger pads
> 
> 
> All,
> 
> Can someone comment on what I can expect from a kit that has multiple
> triggers in a pad. Specifically, the differences in 2 & 3 trigger pads for
> snares, toms & cymbals?
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry in NJ
> 
>  
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Well, first off, as a moderator of this group, let me assure 
everyone, that at this group, there are no stupid or waste of time 
questions that deal with edrums. Sometimes you have to ask what may 
seem to you a real question but to others a stupid question, but that 
is the only way most can start out. Somethings when you are new to 
edrumming, you just don't know what questions to ask, becauase you 
just don't have any experience with edrumming gear. So, please ask 
any questions. 

When you add any pads to the Dtxpress II module that is not replacing 
an existing one, you will for the most part need to start making your 
own kits. IF you want to maintain use of the factory kits and the 
factory songs, then you really need to maintain the original pad 
input orientations with regards to the inputs on the back of the 
module. And thus add the extra pads to inputs 9/10. Even when you 
move the KP65 from input 1 up to input 9/10, your are still really 
using input 9/10 for the extra pads. In the case of adding just one 
tom pad, I would probably moved the TP65S to input 4, to be tom1 and 
moved the original Tp65 from input 4 up to input 9. Then I would have 
setup input 9 as the fourth tom. That way you would preserve your 
factory kits, with the exception of the tom4 sound, unless you 
modified it everytime you turned on the module.

When the original snare pad TP65S, which is a stereo 3 zone pad is 
moved up to input 4, then the separate third zone sound is lost, 
because input 4 is a stereo 2 zone input. Both the rim switches will 
trigger the same sound, i.e. the sound assigned to rim1. The only way 
to continue to use all three of the zones would be to move the extra 
TP65S up to input 6 or 7, which are the other stereo 3 zone inputs. 
But this would mean that you would have to completely reconfigure the 
drum kit and start using "user Kits" only. Making a "user kit" is 
really not difficult and the easiest way is to start with one of the 
factory kits that you like and copy it to a user kit and then modify 
the user kit from that point, since most of the work is already done 
for you. Since most folks really only find two or three factory kits 
useful, then simply make two or three user kits and give them the 
same name as the factory kits, with say a postscript of "M" for 
modified. And if you really like more factory kits then you can 
create up 40 user kits, that are identical to the factory kits with 
the exception of the minor modification for the newer pads.

OGD

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Bryant <gregbryant@s...> 
wrote:
 
... I have an Xpress II which has a Pintech mesh 2-zone snare; the 
original xII
> 2-zone was "insterted" as Tom 1 giving me Tom 1 through 4.  My 
first task is to
> activate Tom 4 for use with factory durm kits.  I would like to 
avoid creating a new
> drum kit while I'm tinkering around and I don't mind that my Tom 4 
assignments will not
> be saved for now.  >