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Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-16 by emf

This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many 
of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device.  Please 
try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner.  For 
a detailed description, read below.
 
Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box" before 
its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by 
permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.  
Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one 
cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more 
than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads to 
be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo" 
in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three 
sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple 
voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.  

The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the 
limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only one 
sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words, 
just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound 
(head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously, 
the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will not 
be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit 
successively.  

This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of Yamaha's 
stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective 
in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely 
to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather than 
a cymbal and a kick pad.

Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs, allowing 
4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom 
inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads, 
while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.

The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the 
DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.  
Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads 
connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment for 
rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be 
purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually 
isolating them.

The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any other 
piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on 
Yamaha equipment.

Keith, OGD, and Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-16 by Ernie Vega

I would be interested...count me in.
--- emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
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> 
> This Special Notice to all members is a survey to
> determine how many 
> of us might be interested in purchasing Keith
> Raper's invention for 
> adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's
> intention is keep the 
> price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this
> matter may well 
> have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the
> device.  Please 
> try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your
> answer yet.  A word 
> to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving
> opportunity for 
> those who want to expand their kits in a
> cost-effective manner.  For 
> a detailed description, read below.
>  
> Keith's input device--which we referred to as the
> "magic box" before 
> its actual invention (it will acquire a better
> name)--allows e-
> drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III)
> module by 
> permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to
> be split.  
> Normally each stereo input is compatible with only
> one pad or one 
> cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of
> supporting more 
> than one sound. Keith's device enables two
> single-zone (mono) pads to 
> be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress
> module. By "stereo" 
> in this context, we exclude all of those that are
> capable of three 
> sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved
> for their triple 
> voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with
> the device.  
> 
> The limitation in this method of input expansion
> follows from the 
> limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim
> switch; only one 
> sound per split input is possible at any one time.
> In other words, 
> just as a stereo pad will produce either a
> piezo-center sound 
> (head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both
> simultaneously, 
> the two pads connected to any input split via
> Keith's device will not 
> be able to make their sounds together. They must be
> hit 
> successively.  
> 
> This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a
> characteristic of Yamaha's 
> stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be
> most effective 
> in circumstances when pads sharing the same input
> would be unlikely 
> to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and
> a tom rather than 
> a cymbal and a kick pad.
> 
> Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4
> outputs, allowing 
> 4 extra pads to be added to each module. For
> example, the three tom 
> inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add
> four extra pads, 
> while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.
> 
> The box adds gain to each of the channels to
> compensate for the 
> DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to
> rim/edge hits.  
> Boosting the signals solves this problem completely.
> The two pads 
> connected to any one input on the device will have
> no adjustment for 
> rejection. Protecting them from each other's
> reverberations will be 
> purely a matter of positioning on the rack or
> otherwise manually 
> isolating them.
> 
> The device may well be compatible with Roland,
> Pintech, or any other 
> piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone
> testing only on 
> Yamaha equipment.
> 
> Keith, OGD, and Ed
> 
> 
> 
>

RE: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-16 by Jef Wilson

I am not sure, as I do not understand the benefits yet.

This is the 1st email that I have received about the DTXpress since signing on over a year ago. Have there been many emails?

Anyway, I am interested in locating the video that came out with the 1st DTXpress kit. Can anyone hook me up with a copy?

jef wilson

www.malutki.com

-----Original Message-----
From: emf [mailto:liberatusvirus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:20 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested


This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many
of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for
adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the
price at around $100. Membership turnout on this matter may well
have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device. Please
try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet. A word
to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for
those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner. For
a detailed description, read below.

Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box" before
its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by
permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.
Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one
cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more
than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads to
be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo"
in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three
sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple
voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.

The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the
limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only one
sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words,
just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound
(head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously,
the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will not
be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit
successively.

This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of Yamaha's
stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective
in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely
to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather than
a cymbal and a kick pad.

Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs, allowing
4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom
inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads,
while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.

The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the
DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.
Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads
connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment for
rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be
purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually
isolating them.

The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any other
piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on
Yamaha equipment.

Keith, OGD, and Ed





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Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-16 by quarlofx

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jef Wilson" <jef@m...> wrote:
> I am not sure, as I do not understand the benefits yet.
> 
> This is the 1st email that I have received about the DTXpress since
signing
> on over a year ago. Have there been many emails?

Hm-m-m, better check your notification preferences in your membership
and/or Yahoo profile.  Cursory calc on the homepage shows in the
neighborhood of 3400 posts in 2004.

FX

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by Jay

Definitely! I am always looking for way to expand my kit (9/10 already
taken)

But how big is the device? How would it match the DTX in color, shape,
size, etc? How does it mount? Does it require external power? Did I
not read the initial post thoroughly enough? :(


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> 
> This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how
many 
> of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
> adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
> price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
> have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device. 
Please 
> try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
> to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
> those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner. 
For 
> a detailed description, read below.
>  
> Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box"
before 
> its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
> drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by 
> permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.  
> Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one 
> cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more 
> than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads
to 
> be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo" 
> in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three 
> sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple 
> voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.  
> 
> The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the 
> limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only
one 
> sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words, 
> just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound 
> (head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously, 
> the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will
not 
> be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit 
> successively.  
> 
> This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of
Yamaha's 
> stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective 
> in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely 
> to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather
than 
> a cymbal and a kick pad.
> 
> Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs,
allowing 
> 4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom 
> inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads, 
> while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.
> 
> The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the 
> DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.  
> Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads 
> connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment
for 
> rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be 
> purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually 
> isolating them.
> 
> The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any
other 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on 
> Yamaha equipment.
> 
> Keith, OGD, and Ed

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay" <jayluv6@y...> wrote:
> 
> Definitely! I am always looking for way to expand my kit (9/10 already
> taken)
> 
> But how big is the device? How would it match the DTX in color, shape,
> size, etc? How does it mount? Does it require external power? Did I
> not read the initial post thoroughly enough? :(
> 

There are actually some pictures of the prototype in the photos
section under "magic box".  

1. it will be no bigger than the DTX box, possibly smaller (smaller
box = smaller PCB saves cost).  Shape will be similar, and similar
thickness.

2. I have not planned to match the colour and exact shape.  The case
is likely to be plastic.  If volumes were high enough (1000+) then I
could get a custom made case in metal in the right colours, but for
the small volumes I anticipate it needs to be made from readily
available parts.

3. It requires external power.  I hope that can be included in the
cost.  It needs 24DC <100mA.

4. No special mounting has been planned.  It has rubber feet so I have
just plonked it on top of the DTXpress box.  Any suggestions
appreciated (with one eye on cost).

5. no, you read the post perfectly, I just didn't include sufficient
information.

Keith.

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by Richard

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> 
> 4. No special mounting has been planned.  It has rubber feet so I 
have
> just plonked it on top of the DTXpress box.  Any suggestions
> appreciated (with one eye on cost).
> 
> Keith.

I have tried putting my MP3 player (Creative Jukebox 3) on top of 
the DTXpress "brain" whilst playing - unfortunately the vibration 
makes it creep & eventually fall off (& I'm not a particularly hard 
hitter)- I would suggest either velcro or (provided it won't 
interfere with the electronics) some of that magnetic rubber strip 
they use on the back of fridge magnets. Clearly this will only work 
if the DTXpress brain case is made of steel - I think it is but it 
would be clearly make sense to check with a magnet. I suspect it 
would require a full length strip accross the front/back or on each 
side of the bottom face of the unit, this would do away with the 
need for rubber feet as this material is rubberized - not sure of 
cost but it can't be that expensive if it's used on fridge magnets!

P.S. This gadget sounds interesting - where do I look for a detailed 
description of what it does?

Richard.

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richard.darby@l...> wrote:
> I have tried putting my MP3 player (Creative Jukebox 3) on top of 
> the DTXpress "brain" whilst playing - unfortunately the vibration 
> makes it creep & eventually fall off (& I'm not a particularly hard 
> hitter)- I would suggest either velcro or (provided it won't 
> interfere with the electronics) some of that magnetic rubber strip 
> they use on the back of fridge magnets. Clearly this will only work 
> if the DTXpress brain case is made of steel - I think it is but it 
> would be clearly make sense to check with a magnet. I suspect it 
> would require a full length strip accross the front/back or on each 
> side of the bottom face of the unit, this would do away with the 
> need for rubber feet as this material is rubberized - not sure of 
> cost but it can't be that expensive if it's used on fridge magnets!

Here's my 1 1/2 cent on this issue: At this stage of the game, Keith 
might do well to avoid any extra overengineering of the device. The 
rubber feet would probably be a minimal solution to those with a 
level-mounted module, playing at home on a floor/rack that doesn't 
shake too much--probably the majority of users. Those who need better 
adhesion, like velcro or a magnetic strip, could take care of it 
themselves. The point is to make this piece of equipment available 
for as little as possible, while ensuring the quality of the vital 
parts. If you're going to cut corners, cut them in ways that the user 
can affect cheaply himself. Keith, does this make sense?

Ed

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richard.darby@l...> wrote:
> 
> 
> P.S. This gadget sounds interesting - where do I look for a detailed 
> description of what it does?
> 

Richard,

Thanks for the suggestion.  Velcro sounds like a possiblity.  I must
admit that I just throw it on the floor because once it is set up (one
adjustment per channel) you don't need to touch it.  

As for a description, 

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/message/11292

and the subsequent posts is all that exits at the moment.  There are
pictures of the prototype in the pictures section, although it may
change a little, in particular getting all the connections to the
back.  If you have any other quesiotns please ask.

keith.

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Here's my 1 1/2 cent on this issue: At this stage of the game, Keith 
> might do well to avoid any extra overengineering of the device. The 
> rubber feet would probably be a minimal solution to those with a 
> level-mounted module, playing at home on a floor/rack that doesn't 
> shake too much--probably the majority of users. Those who need better 
> adhesion, like velcro or a magnetic strip, could take care of it 
> themselves. The point is to make this piece of equipment available 
> for as little as possible, while ensuring the quality of the vital 
> parts. If you're going to cut corners, cut them in ways that the user 
> can affect cheaply himself. Keith, does this make sense?

Ed,

A bit of simultaneous posting going on there!

Yes, what you say makes sense.  Self adhesive velcro is fairly cheap
though so throwing in a couple of 3" strips may not be a bad idea.

Keith.

RE: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-17 by Sean and Ann McEvenue

Yes, this device has considerable appeal to me.  Three cheers for
Keith!!!!.  I will focus on this thread to monitor developments.  Thanks
very much.
 
Sean
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-----Original Message-----
From: emf [mailto:liberatusvirus@...] 
Sent: March 16, 2005 1:20 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested
 

This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many 
of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device.  Please 
try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner.  For 
a detailed description, read below.

Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box" before 
its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by 
permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.  
Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one 
cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more 
than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads to 
be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo" 
in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three 
sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple 
voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.  

The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the 
limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only one 
sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words, 
just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound 
(head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously, 
the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will not 
be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit 
successively.  

This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of Yamaha's 
stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective 
in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely 
to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather than 
a cymbal and a kick pad.

Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs, allowing 
4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom 
inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads, 
while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.

The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the 
DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.  
Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads 
connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment for 
rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be 
purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually 
isolating them.

The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any other 
piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on 
Yamaha equipment.

Keith, OGD, and Ed





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Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-19 by deanerdrummer

definitely interested

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many 
> of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
> adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
> price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
> have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device.  Please 
> try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
> to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
> those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner.  For 
> a detailed description, read below.
>  
> Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box" before 
> its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
> drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by 
> permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.  
> Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one 
> cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more 
> than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads to 
> be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo" 
> in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three 
> sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple 
> voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.  
> 
> The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the 
> limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only one 
> sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words, 
> just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound 
> (head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously, 
> the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will not 
> be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit 
> successively.  
> 
> This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of Yamaha's 
> stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective 
> in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely 
> to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather than 
> a cymbal and a kick pad.
> 
> Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs, allowing 
> 4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom 
> inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads, 
> while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.
> 
> The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the 
> DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.  
> Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads 
> connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment for 
> rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be 
> purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually 
> isolating them.
> 
> The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any other 
> piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on 
> Yamaha equipment.
> 
> Keith, OGD, and Ed

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-19 by electricmusic

I would be interested.  Todd

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
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> 
> This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many 
> of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
> adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
> price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
> have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device.  Please 
> try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
> to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
> those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner.  For 
> a detailed description, read below.
>  
> Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box" before 
> its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
> drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by 
> permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.  
> Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one 
> cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more 
> than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads to 
> be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo" 
> in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three 
> sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple 
> voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.  
> 
> The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the 
> limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only one 
> sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words, 
> just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound 
> (head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously, 
> the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will not 
> be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit 
> successively.  
> 
> This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of Yamaha's 
> stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective 
> in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely 
> to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather than 
> a cymbal and a kick pad.
> 
> Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs, allowing 
> 4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom 
> inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads, 
> while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.
> 
> The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the 
> DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.  
> Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads 
> connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment for 
> rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be 
> purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually 
> isolating them.
> 
> The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any other 
> piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on 
> Yamaha equipment.
> 
> Keith, OGD, and Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-21 by mcgill

I bought 2 DTIIs's, but I still probably would be interested in this. I love drum gadgets.

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many 
of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device.  Please 
try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner.  For 
a detailed description, read below.

Keith's input device--which we referred to as the "magic box" before 
its actual invention (it will acquire a better name)--allows e-
drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III) module by 
permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be split.  
Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one pad or one 
cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of supporting more 
than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone (mono) pads to 
be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress module. By "stereo" 
in this context, we exclude all of those that are capable of three 
sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for their triple 
voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with the device.  

The limitation in this method of input expansion follows from the 
limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim switch; only one 
sound per split input is possible at any one time. In other words, 
just as a stereo pad will produce either a piezo-center sound 
(head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both simultaneously, 
the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's device will not 
be able to make their sounds together. They must be hit 
successively.  

This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a characteristic of Yamaha's 
stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be most effective 
in circumstances when pads sharing the same input would be unlikely 
to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a tom rather than 
a cymbal and a kick pad.

Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4 outputs, allowing 
4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example, the three tom 
inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four extra pads, 
while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.

The box adds gain to each of the channels to compensate for the 
DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to rim/edge hits.  
Boosting the signals solves this problem completely. The two pads 
connected to any one input on the device will have no adjustment for 
rejection. Protecting them from each other's reverberations will be 
purely a matter of positioning on the rack or otherwise manually 
isolating them.

The device may well be compatible with Roland, Pintech, or any other 
piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone testing only on 
Yamaha equipment.

Keith, OGD, and Ed





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Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-21 by epvk_jahoe

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This Special Notice to all members is a survey to determine how many 
of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's invention for 
adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's intention is keep the 
price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this matter may well 
have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the device.  Please 
try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer yet.  A word 
to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving opportunity for 
those who want to expand their kits in a cost-effective manner.  For 
a detailed description, read below.

Re: [DTXpress] Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-29 by Nick Carroll

Sorry it's taken me a while to respond. While I am
intrigued about Keith's invention, I don't need extra
inputs since I upgraded from DTXpress I to the
DTXtreme IIs.

Cheers!
Nick Carroll


--- emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

This Special Notice to all members is a survey to
determine how many 
of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's
invention for 
adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's
intention is keep the 
price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this
matter may well 
have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the
device.  Please 
try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer
yet.  A word 
to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving
opportunity for 
those who want to expand their kits in a
cost-effective manner.  For 
a detailed description, read below.
 
Keith's input device--which we referred to as the
"magic box" before 
its actual invention (it will acquire a better
name)--allows e-
drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III)
module by 
permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be
split.  
Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one
pad or one 
cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of
supporting more 
than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone
(mono) pads to 
be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress
module. By "stereo" 
in this context, we exclude all of those that are
capable of three 
sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for
their triple 
voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with
the device.  

The limitation in this method of input expansion
follows from the 
limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim
switch; only one 
sound per split input is possible at any one time. In
other words, 
just as a stereo pad will produce either a
piezo-center sound 
(head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both
simultaneously, 
the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's
device will not 
be able to make their sounds together. They must be
hit 
successively.  

This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a
characteristic of Yamaha's 
stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be
most effective 
in circumstances when pads sharing the same input
would be unlikely 
to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a
tom rather than 
a cymbal and a kick pad.

Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4
outputs, allowing 
4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example,
the three tom 
inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four
extra pads, 
while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.

The box adds gain to each of the channels to
compensate for the 
DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to
rim/edge hits.  
Boosting the signals solves this problem completely.
The two pads 
connected to any one input on the device will have no
adjustment for 
rejection. Protecting them from each other's
reverberations will be 
purely a matter of positioning on the rack or
otherwise manually 
isolating them.

The device may well be compatible with Roland,
Pintech, or any other 
piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone
testing only on 
Yamaha equipment.

Keith, OGD, and Ed





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Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-29 by BOBBIE BELLO

Any word when this is coming out...im holding off buying the tm-6

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
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> Sorry it's taken me a while to respond. While I am
> intrigued about Keith's invention, I don't need extra
> inputs since I upgraded from DTXpress I to the
> DTXtreme IIs.
> 
> Cheers!
> Nick Carroll
> 
> 
> --- emf <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> 
> This Special Notice to all members is a survey to
> determine how many 
> of us might be interested in purchasing Keith Raper's
> invention for 
> adding inputs to the DTXpress module. Keith's
> intention is keep the 
> price at around $100.  Membership turnout on this
> matter may well 
> have a lot to do with what ultimately happens to the
> device.  Please 
> try to respond, even if you aren't sure of your answer
> yet.  A word 
> to the wise: This is a huge, possibly money-saving
> opportunity for 
> those who want to expand their kits in a
> cost-effective manner.  For 
> a detailed description, read below.
>  
> Keith's input device--which we referred to as the
> "magic box" before 
> its actual invention (it will acquire a better
> name)--allows e-
> drummers to expand the basic DTXpress (I, II or III)
> module by 
> permitting the FSRs and piezos on stereo inputs to be
> split.  
> Normally each stereo input is compatible with only one
> pad or one 
> cymbal, even though each stereo input is capable of
> supporting more 
> than one sound. Keith's device enables two single-zone
> (mono) pads to 
> be connected to each stereo input on a DTXpress
> module. By "stereo" 
> in this context, we exclude all of those that are
> capable of three 
> sounds (inputs 2 and 6), which should be reserved for
> their triple 
> voices, and input 9/10, which is not compatible with
> the device.  
> 
> The limitation in this method of input expansion
> follows from the 
> limitation inherent in any pad or cymbal with a rim
> switch; only one 
> sound per split input is possible at any one time. In
> other words, 
> just as a stereo pad will produce either a
> piezo-center sound 
> (head/bow) or switch sound (rim/edge) but not both
> simultaneously, 
> the two pads connected to any input split via Keith's
> device will not 
> be able to make their sounds together. They must be
> hit 
> successively.  
> 
> This is not a flaw in Keith's design but a
> characteristic of Yamaha's 
> stereo electronics. The magic box would therefore be
> most effective 
> in circumstances when pads sharing the same input
> would be unlikely 
> to be hit simultaneously--for example, a cymbal and a
> tom rather than 
> a cymbal and a kick pad.
> 
> Keith has planned the device to have 8 inputs and 4
> outputs, allowing 
> 4 extra pads to be added to each module. For example,
> the three tom 
> inputs and one cymbal input could be used to add four
> extra pads, 
> while still leaving 9/10 free for two more.
> 
> The box adds gain to each of the channels to
> compensate for the 
> DTXpress module's relative lack of sensitivity to
> rim/edge hits.  
> Boosting the signals solves this problem completely.
> The two pads 
> connected to any one input on the device will have no
> adjustment for 
> rejection. Protecting them from each other's
> reverberations will be 
> purely a matter of positioning on the rack or
> otherwise manually 
> isolating them.
> 
> The device may well be compatible with Roland,
> Pintech, or any other 
> piezo/FSR switch components, but it has undergone
> testing only on 
> Yamaha equipment.
> 
> Keith, OGD, and Ed
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-29 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "BOBBIE BELLO" <bobbiebello@y...> wrote:
> 
> Any word when this is coming out...im holding off buying the tm-6
> 

Don't expect anything for a few months (if at all;-).  We need to
establish the size of the market and sort out some pricing, after a
bit more evaluation.

Keith.

Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-29 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "BOBBIE BELLO" <bobbiebello@y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Any word when this is coming out...im holding off buying the tm-6
> > 
> 
> Don't expect anything for a few months (if at all;-).  We need to
> establish the size of the market and sort out some pricing, after a
> bit more evaluation.

Steady on, Keith. Price is the key. I'm seeing the first DTXpress 
module--possibly the least expensive realistic option right now--for 
about $200, and the TMC-6 for not better than $200 in any condition. 

Bobbie, I forgot to mention that true to its name, the TMC-6 has only 
6 inputs per bank. $200 is a lot to pay for 6 inputs, even if they 
have stereo and dual-zone capability. But Roland's pricing has always 
been outlandish. The discontinued T to M interfaces all had more 
inputs (albeit mono), and each would be available for around $100, 
but they are in seriously short supply. They began to dry up in 
earnest a couple of years ago. 

Assuming that performance is adequate, and word gets out (we can help 
to see to that), I'm seeing a genuine market for the MB at around 
$100. I hope that Ed Morin agrees.

emf

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Special Notice: Expanding Inputs--Response Requested

2005-03-30 by BOBBIE BELLO

u r right about that....i couldnt find a used yamaha trigger. roland is always out of whack in prices. i agree...$100 is a small price for what the mb will do.  im still looking.

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "BOBBIE BELLO" 
wrote:
> > 
> > Any word when this is coming out...im holding off buying the tm-6
> > 
> 
> Don't expect anything for a few months (if at all;-). We need to
> establish the size of the market and sort out some pricing, after a
> bit more evaluation.

Steady on, Keith. Price is the key. I'm seeing the first DTXpress 
module--possibly the least expensive realistic option right now--for 
about $200, and the TMC-6 for not better than $200 in any condition. 

Bobbie, I forgot to mention that true to its name, the TMC-6 has only 
6 inputs per bank. $200 is a lot to pay for 6 inputs, even if they 
have stereo and dual-zone capability. But Roland's pricing has always 
been outlandish. The discontinued T to M interfaces all had more 
inputs (albeit mono), and each would be available for around $100, 
but they are in seriously short supply. They began to dry up in 
earnest a couple of years ago. 

Assuming that performance is adequate, and word gets out (we can help 
to see to that), I'm seeing a genuine market for the MB at around 
$100. I hope that Ed Morin agrees.

emf






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