Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey, ok well I'm new here...

so uh I figured out how to record every pad on a different track in 
cakewalk using midi, so I can mix that... so yea I got the drumming 
recorded in cakewalk. but its sounds like piano on the pc speakers... 
ok so I thought I got to get them back into the brain so it sounds 
like drum again (in the earphones connected to the brain)... ok well 
I cant seem to get anything back into the brain... and I read even if 
I do it may sound like piano again... so can someone please, give me 
step by step instruction on how to playback from cakwalk to the brain 
so it sounds like drums when I listen in the earphones...

Thanks for your time...

Any help will be greatly appreciated, cuz I really need to figure out 
how to do that...

also I've read a lot of the post in here, but most people already got 
it to sound like a piano in the brain at least...

hmmm just read some other guy post talking about problem getting data 
out of the computer into the brain....

I'm using a sound blaster live (he also was), and I can save drumsets 
(brain to comp) perfectly, but I cant get load any (comp to brain not 
seem to work) on the dtxchange it says it worked, but on the brain 
nothing changed... (that other guy had the same prob too)

just thought I'll add more details...

The piano sound is general midid channel 1, you probably need to make sure
the channel is set to 10(drums), I don't know if you can change this in
Cakewalk, but you can change it in the brain, you have to change it in two
places, but I'm realy out of practice and can't remember exactly where, the
voice and the utilities or song maybe? sorry.

Hope that's of some use, FYI I've never been able to get the pre-set tracks
to play in anything but piano without tinkering with the midi channel
settings, and even then they reset after you turn it off.  This seems to be
a bug or design flaw in the brain software that defaults everything to midi
1 if it has no other information, of course for a drum brain it should
default to midi 10 and the pre-set songs should all have midi channels set
out of the box.
This isn't helping you anymore is it?

Keep trying, but I don't see why you should have to get the sounds back into
the brain to make them sound like drums, the data is in cakewalk now, so
long as cakewalk has access to the drum samples you used in the brain, you
should be able to get them back just in cakewalk.

Sanctum.

----- Original Message -----

From: <perrier1@...>
To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 9:10 AM
Subject: [DTXpress] Playback (plz read, I really need help!!!)


> Hey, ok well I'm new here...
>
> so uh I figured out how to record every pad on a different track in
> cakewalk using midi, so I can mix that... so yea I got the drumming
> recorded in cakewalk. but its sounds like piano on the pc speakers...
> ok so I thought I got to get them back into the brain so it sounds
> like drum again (in the earphones connected to the brain)... ok well
> I cant seem to get anything back into the brain... and I read even if
> I do it may sound like piano again... so can someone please, give me
> step by step instruction on how to playback from cakwalk to the brain
> so it sounds like drums when I listen in the earphones...
>
> Thanks for your time...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated, cuz I really need to figure out
> how to do that...
>
> also I've read a lot of the post in here, but most people already got
> it to sound like a piano in the brain at least...
>
>
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Try to use dumpster, I had the same problem with dtxchange, but now I have
never had problems. Just read the messages posted on May 9th and 10th 2001.

I understood you recorded every pad on a different track to mix your kit,
but you may just record all you want on the channel 10, and then mix it in
the voice menu of your drum kit, an easier way, isn't it? But maybe I
misunderstood what you wanted to do. So you want to record drums through all
midi channels or just only through channel 10? When you say you recorded
every pad on a different track, does it mean you record each pad on a
different midi channel? Give me more details.
vivien

I just tried dumpster... it doesnt seem to work...

what I mean is I can get the info from the drumset to the comp, and 
record it on cakewalk or whatever... but now I would like to have it 
recorded with the sounds of the drumset and not the default midi 
sounds...

so I thought that I would have to get what I recorded in cakewalk 
back to the brain, so it gets the sound of the dtxpress, and then 
record it normaly to cakewalk using a normal cable (not a midi one)

reason I dont record directly like that and I want to use midi first 
is that I want to be able to play with the volume of each pad as much 
as I want without having to re-play it another time...

So anyway I cant seem to be able to get info from the computer to the 
brain...

Anyone know why?

Anyone know another way of doing what I want to do?

--- In DTXpress@y..., perrier1@s... wrote:
> I just tried dumpster... it doesnt seem to work...
> 
> what I mean is I can get the info from the drumset to the comp, and 
> record it on cakewalk or whatever... 

Set up Cakewalk to record the midi information on a track. Play with 
the kit you want to use.

but now I would like to have it 
> recorded with the sounds of the drumset and not the default midi 
> sounds...
> 
> so I thought that I would have to get what I recorded in cakewalk 
> back to the brain, so it gets the sound of the dtxpress, and then 
> record it normaly to cakewalk using a normal cable (not a midi one)
> 

When you've finished recording, play the midi track back, through the
Midi out on your soundcard to the brain. Make sure it is set for 
channel 10. This should play the section you just recorded. Now edit 
it to your satisfaction in Cake.

Now you have to covert the midi to audio. Just have Cake play the 
piece via midi and set it up to record the audio that the Dtxpress 
puts out, onto an audio track. (First turn Local control to "off" on 
the DTXp).
If you want to change the kit on the DTXp, go ahead; If you want to 
record, say, the snare on its own track, split it off onto a seperate 
track (still on channel 10 though) and mute the rest of the kit on the 
other track (you'll have to ask a Cake user about how to do that - I'm 
on Logic). Just keep recording new audio tracks until you have all 
your midi tracks as audio. Then mute the midi track(s) and you're 
away.
There will be some delay between the midi track and the audio one 
(which depends on your system's latency), but it should be constant 
between audio tracks recorded from the same midi source. You may need 
to line them up though with other audio - recorded directly, for 
example.
cheers
tomr

>When you've finished recording, play the midi track back, through the
Midi out on your soundcard to the brain. Make sure it is set for 
channel 10. This should play the section you just recorded. Now edit 
it to your satisfaction in Cake.


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thanks for helping, but I'm having problem playing it back to the 
brain... maybe my cable got a problem I'll try to exchange it 
tomorow, but maybe its not the problem... so could u please tell me 
how I should go about playing it back threw the brain?


any setting I should set on the brain or anything else?


thanks for your time ppl

I don't know how you go about setting up Cake to transmit to the midi 
out port (it should be straightforward). If its not working, try 
sending midi data to another synth/module etc to see if its a Cake 
setup problem, and change the midi cable - it just might be dodgy (or 
in the wrong socket :-) The DTXp brain should just recieve the midi 
data without you doing anything, if its plugged in correctly. 
tomr

> thanks for helping, but I'm having problem playing it back to the 
> brain... maybe my cable got a problem I'll try to exchange it 
> tomorow, but maybe its not the problem... so could u please tell me 
> how I should go about playing it back threw the brain?
> 
> 
> any setting I should set on the brain or anything else?
> 
> 
> thanks for your time ppl