Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey ppl

I just thought I'd report in.

When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. I may
well be wrong about all of that.

Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new product,
perhaps they'd fixed that.

So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly for
about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when the amp
failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
regardless of the settings.

OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on, but not
before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The only
drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall about
1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.

I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was probably
wrong and I'm sorry.

J

Sorry to hear of your unfortunate incident. I personally have used Marshall
and Trace Elliot. The Marshall was an old keyboard amp I had knocking about,
but did a good job due to its full range. The Trace Elliot I moved on to was
a bass amp, but had a 7 band EQ on it and was able to give a real punch to
the sound without losing any top end. Highly recommended. Oh, and don't be
too down on Behringer. They do produce good equipment, and I have used some
of their stuff in the past (still use my Behringer headphones in my studio)
but they are primarily a budget brand and should not be fully expected to
compete with the big boys.

 

Anyway, hope you have better luck with your new amp.

 

Rob.

 

  _____  

From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of john@...
Sent: 28 December 2006 10:18
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Behringer vs Peavey

 

Hey ppl

I just thought I'd report in.

When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. I may
well be wrong about all of that.

Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new product,
perhaps they'd fixed that.

So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly for
about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when the amp
failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
regardless of the settings.

OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on, but not
before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The only
drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall about
1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.

I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was probably
wrong and I'm sorry.

J

When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. I may
well be wrong about all of that.

So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly for
about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when the amp
failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
regardless of the settings.

___

> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
>  recommended Behringer and I went for the latter ... in the middle
of the opening song, when the
> amp
>  failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
>  regardless of the settings.
> ___
> Sorry...  Hmmm.  I've had my Behringer for about 3 years, and I've not
> had a problem with it.  Electronics have a habit of blowing out very
> soon or not at all.  That is too bad, really.  I like how the amp,
> despite its ported design, has a very tight damping factor that can be
> felt and heard.
>
> Stephanie Ellison AKA Deaf Drummer
> deafdrummer.org

Hi Stephanie

I've had the amp for a couple of years, and used it off and on for
practices, so it's not an early-fault thing.

And I had a previous problem with the crossover that required a
repair. So, basically, in maybe two years of ownership it's failed
twice, and that's with very light use.

On the upside, the other two members of the band also bought the same
amp model and they've not had a problem, then the local college bought
some and I haven't heard problems from there either.

That made me wonder whether handling a drum signal is more stressful
than a normal keyboard input.

Anyway, my experience is of fatal unreliability (not just, for
instance, a crackling pot or similar). Maybe a Peavey amp would have
given me the same probabilities.

I'm interested in the damping factor thing. What do you mean by that
and how does that help you .. I read about you being totally deaf in a
previous post. I'm interested in online accessibility, which this has
nothing to do with, but it's still interesting.

Someone in a different band on the night said I should buy a .. a
power cable that tidies up the voltages, power conditioner, or
something. He said his colleague's guitar amp is choosy about its
power source. Might there be something in that?

J

> Behringer .. are primarily a budget brand and should not be fully
expected
> to compete with the big boys.
> Rob.

Ah. I didn't spot that previously. I've spotted it now tho .. in
pricing up replacing it with a Peavey :-)

J

John, I have a Behringer UB2442FX,I had a Peavey 16 channel board, I 
have a Mackie 16.8 bus. I have a Peavey 2000 stereo amp and a Gem 
sound amp. The Behringer has been used on the road and it has seen a 
lot of miles. I had a channel to go out on it after a lot of use. The 
Peavey mixer was built more durable but a channel failed on it also. 
My peavey 2000 amp has been a work horse. I say this and it will 
probably croak this weekend. The Mackie stays only in my studio so I 
can't compare it to road use. A friend of mine runs a DJ service and 
she is always having one of her Mackie boards run in for repair. and 
another group I know has had their peavey to go and go without any 
problems. I just got the GemSound and the only complaint I have with 
it is the fan is noisy. I bought it because a friend runs his 
DTXpress II thru a Gem sound powered speaker and it has lasted for 
about 3 years now and I like the sound of it. The amp part of the 
speaker only has treble and Bass, but the speaker has a 15 a horn and 
3 piezeo tweeters and they balance out the drum kits well. Here is 
the way I look at it. Amps are built with semiconductors. Amps put 
out power and with power it generates heat. heat causes components to 
fail. No matter what brand it is failed parts will happen. 










--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@... wrote:
>
> Hey ppl
> 
> I just thought I'd report in.
> 
> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
> recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
> support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
> speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. I 
may
> well be wrong about all of that.
> 
> Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
> unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new product,
> perhaps they'd fixed that.
> 
> So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly for
> about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when the 
amp
> failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
> regardless of the settings.
> 
> OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on, but 
not

> before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The only
> drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall about
> 1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.
> 
> I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
> disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
> supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was probably
> wrong and I'm sorry.
> 
> J
>

New componets fail to heat also. well thats what my Text book and 
electronics tech school said also.






--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@... wrote:
>
> Hey ppl
> 
> I just thought I'd report in.
> 
> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
> recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
> support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
> speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. I 
may
> well be wrong about all of that.
> 
> Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
> unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new product,
> perhaps they'd fixed that.
> 
> So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly for
> about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when the 
amp
> failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
> regardless of the settings.
> 
> OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on, but 
not

> before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The only
> drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall about
> 1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.
> 
> I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
> disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
> supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was probably
> wrong and I'm sorry.
> 
> J
>

Hi Randy,

Thanks for all that, and other's comments. It's interesting .. I
certainly did get, from this list, people saying Behringer stuff is
unreliable. But now the comments are much more equivocal, sensible and
balanced, which is nice to hear. I don't mean the others weren't, just
that this is more what I expected.

Anyway, I've removed the amp part and it's packed to go for a
potentially \ufffd60 repair. I can't see anything's visibly blown on it
though.

J

> John, I have a Behringer UB2442FX,I had a Peavey 16 channel board, I
> have a Mackie 16.8 bus. I have a Peavey 2000 stereo amp and a Gem
> sound amp. The Behringer has been used on the road and it has seen a
> lot of miles. I had a channel to go out on it after a lot of use. The
> Peavey mixer was built more durable but a channel failed on it also.
> My peavey 2000 amp has been a work horse. I say this and it will
> probably croak this weekend. The Mackie stays only in my studio so I
> can't compare it to road use. A friend of mine runs a DJ service and
> she is always having one of her Mackie boards run in for repair. and
> another group I know has had their peavey to go and go without any
> problems. I just got the GemSound and the only complaint I have with
> it is the fan is noisy. I bought it because a friend runs his
> DTXpress II thru a Gem sound powered speaker and it has lasted for
> about 3 years now and I like the sound of it. The amp part of the
> speaker only has treble and Bass, but the speaker has a 15 a horn and
> 3 piezeo tweeters and they balance out the drum kits well. Here is
> the way I look at it. Amps are built with semiconductors. Amps put
> out power and with power it generates heat. heat causes components to
> fail. No matter what brand it is failed parts will happen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@... wrote:
>>
>> Hey ppl
>>
>> I just thought I'd report in.
>>
>> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but some
>> recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
>> support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
>> speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. I
> may
>> well be wrong about all of that.
>>
>> Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
>> unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new product,
>> perhaps they'd fixed that.
>>
>> So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly for
>> about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when the
> amp
>> failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
>> regardless of the settings.
>>
>> OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on, but
> not
>> before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The only
>> drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall about
>> 1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.
>>
>> I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
>> disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
>> supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was probably
>> wrong and I'm sorry.
>>
>> J
>>
>
>
>

My Behringer KX1200 has been running for years now with no issues. It 
never moves out of the corner of my practice room though, so maybe it 
doesn't handle movement well? Seems like most of the people that have 
problems are gigging with them...

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@... wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> 
> Thanks for all that, and other's comments. It's interesting .. I
> certainly did get, from this list, people saying Behringer stuff is
> unreliable. But now the comments are much more equivocal, sensible 
and
> balanced, which is nice to hear. I don't mean the others weren't, 
just
> that this is more what I expected.
> 
> Anyway, I've removed the amp part and it's packed to go for a
> potentially £60 repair. I can't see anything's visibly blown on it
> though.
> 
> J
> 
> > John, I have a Behringer UB2442FX,I had a Peavey 16 channel 
board, I
> > have a Mackie 16.8 bus. I have a Peavey 2000 stereo amp and a Gem
> > sound amp. The Behringer has been used on the road and it has 
seen a
> > lot of miles. I had a channel to go out on it after a lot of use. 
The
> > Peavey mixer was built more durable but a channel failed on it 
also.
> > My peavey 2000 amp has been a work horse. I say this and it will
> > probably croak this weekend. The Mackie stays only in my studio 
so I
> > can't compare it to road use. A friend of mine runs a DJ service 
and
> > she is always having one of her Mackie boards run in for repair. 
and
> > another group I know has had their peavey to go and go without any
> > problems. I just got the GemSound and the only complaint I have 
with
> > it is the fan is noisy. I bought it because a friend runs his
> > DTXpress II thru a Gem sound powered speaker and it has lasted for
> > about 3 years now and I like the sound of it. The amp part of the
> > speaker only has treble and Bass, but the speaker has a 15 a horn 
and
> > 3 piezeo tweeters and they balance out the drum kits well. Here is
> > the way I look at it. Amps are built with semiconductors. Amps put
> > out power and with power it generates heat. heat causes 
components to
> > fail. No matter what brand it is failed parts will happen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@ wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey ppl
> >>
> >> I just thought I'd report in.
> >>
> >> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but 
some
> >> recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
> >> support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
> >> speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one. 
I
> > may
> >> well be wrong about all of that.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
> >> unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new 
product,
> >> perhaps they'd fixed that.
> >>
> >> So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly 
for
> >> about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when 
the
> > amp
> >> failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
> >> regardless of the settings.
> >>
> >> OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on, 
but
> > not
> >> before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The 
only
> >> drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall 
about
> >> 1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.
> >>
> >> I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
> >> disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
> >> supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was 
probably

> >> wrong and I'm sorry.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Of the two top mounting screws for the amp, one is bent, the other has
sheared, which suggests the amp part was hit at some point. There's no
external damage, and I certainly don't know about that. It's been like
that a while.

?

J

 > My Behringer KX1200 has been running for years now with no issues. It
> never moves out of the corner of my practice room though, so maybe it
> doesn't handle movement well? Seems like most of the people that have
> problems are gigging with them...
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@... wrote:
>>
>> Hi Randy,
>>
>> Thanks for all that, and other's comments. It's interesting .. I
>> certainly did get, from this list, people saying Behringer stuff is
>> unreliable. But now the comments are much more equivocal, sensible
> and
>> balanced, which is nice to hear. I don't mean the others weren't,
> just
>> that this is more what I expected.
>>
>> Anyway, I've removed the amp part and it's packed to go for a
>> potentially \ufffd60 repair. I can't see anything's visibly blown on it
>> though.
>>
>> J
>>
>> > John, I have a Behringer UB2442FX,I had a Peavey 16 channel
> board, I
>> > have a Mackie 16.8 bus. I have a Peavey 2000 stereo amp and a Gem
>> > sound amp. The Behringer has been used on the road and it has
> seen a
>> > lot of miles. I had a channel to go out on it after a lot of use.
> The
>> > Peavey mixer was built more durable but a channel failed on it
> also.
>> > My peavey 2000 amp has been a work horse. I say this and it will
>> > probably croak this weekend. The Mackie stays only in my studio
> so I
>> > can't compare it to road use. A friend of mine runs a DJ service
> and
>> > she is always having one of her Mackie boards run in for repair.
> and
>> > another group I know has had their peavey to go and go without any
>> > problems. I just got the GemSound and the only complaint I have
> with
>> > it is the fan is noisy. I bought it because a friend runs his
>> > DTXpress II thru a Gem sound powered speaker and it has lasted for
>> > about 3 years now and I like the sound of it. The amp part of the
>> > speaker only has treble and Bass, but the speaker has a 15 a horn
> and
>> > 3 piezeo tweeters and they balance out the drum kits well. Here is
>> > the way I look at it. Amps are built with semiconductors. Amps put
>> > out power and with power it generates heat. heat causes
> components to
>> > fail. No matter what brand it is failed parts will happen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey ppl
>> >>
>> >> I just thought I'd report in.
>> >>
>> >> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, but
> some
>> >> recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
>> >> support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its three
>> >> speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its one.
> I
>> > may
>> >> well be wrong about all of that.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
>> >> unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new
> product,
>> >> perhaps they'd fixed that.
>> >>
>> >> So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp properly
> for
>> >> about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when
> the
>> > amp
>> >> failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
>> >> regardless of the settings.
>> >>
>> >> OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on,
> but
>> > not
>> >> before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The
> only
>> >> drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall
> about
>> >> 1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.
>> >>
>> >> I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
>> >> disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
>> >> supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was
> probably
>> >> wrong and I'm sorry.
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

John, with the sound of your description with the smell of 
electronics it sounds like a filter capacitor has failed. to find 
which one is easy sometimes and a nightmare the other that is the 
reason most power supply boards are removable. A computer is the same 
way the only thing about it is I hope it did not have a current surge 
and take out anything else. The bass hum you hear was most likely a 
AC hum. Capacitors filter the ac ripples from the dc voltage after it 
leaves the diode rectifier bridge. I live in the states and our power 
grid is 60Hz which is 120 volts. everyone else in the world is on 50 
220V. the transformers are switching taking a section of the 
transformer to get it down to a workable voltage. (here 120V) The 
advantage to the 50Hz is less current draw and appliances are more 
economical I hope they can fix you up and get you back. We did not 
have any glitches this weekend. our drummer ran his DTXpress II thru 
our system. I ran a Behringer FBQ3102 graphic EQ thru the main 
inserts to help with the bad acoustic where we were at. I play piano, 
bass and I play the drums some. I love the drums it is just you can't 
play everything at once. but being a bass player I know the drummer 
is my best friend when it comes to the rhythm section. I played a lot 
of Jazz when I was younger I learned then if the bass and drums are 
not comunicating the rest of the band is in for a long night. 







--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@... wrote:
>
> Of the two top mounting screws for the amp, one is bent, the other 
has
> sheared, which suggests the amp part was hit at some point. There's 
no
> external damage, and I certainly don't know about that. It's been 
like
> that a while.
> 
> ?
> 
> J
> 
>  > My Behringer KX1200 has been running for years now with no 
issues. It
> > never moves out of the corner of my practice room though, so 
maybe it
> > doesn't handle movement well? Seems like most of the people that 
have
> > problems are gigging with them...
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@ wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Randy,
> >>
> >> Thanks for all that, and other's comments. It's interesting .. I
> >> certainly did get, from this list, people saying Behringer stuff 
is
> >> unreliable. But now the comments are much more equivocal, 
sensible
> > and
> >> balanced, which is nice to hear. I don't mean the others weren't,
> > just
> >> that this is more what I expected.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I've removed the amp part and it's packed to go for a
> >> potentially £60 repair. I can't see anything's visibly blown on 
it
> >> though.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> > John, I have a Behringer UB2442FX,I had a Peavey 16 channel
> > board, I
> >> > have a Mackie 16.8 bus. I have a Peavey 2000 stereo amp and a 
Gem
> >> > sound amp. The Behringer has been used on the road and it has
> > seen a
> >> > lot of miles. I had a channel to go out on it after a lot of 
use.
> > The
> >> > Peavey mixer was built more durable but a channel failed on it
> > also.
> >> > My peavey 2000 amp has been a work horse. I say this and it 
will
> >> > probably croak this weekend. The Mackie stays only in my studio
> > so I
> >> > can't compare it to road use. A friend of mine runs a DJ 
service
> > and
> >> > she is always having one of her Mackie boards run in for 
repair.
> > and
> >> > another group I know has had their peavey to go and go without 
any
> >> > problems. I just got the GemSound and the only complaint I have
> > with
> >> > it is the fan is noisy. I bought it because a friend runs his
> >> > DTXpress II thru a Gem sound powered speaker and it has lasted 
for
> >> > about 3 years now and I like the sound of it. The amp part of 
the
> >> > speaker only has treble and Bass, but the speaker has a 15 a 
horn
> > and
> >> > 3 piezeo tweeters and they balance out the drum kits well. 
Here is
> >> > the way I look at it. Amps are built with semiconductors. Amps 
put
> >> > out power and with power it generates heat. heat causes
> > components to
> >> > fail. No matter what brand it is failed parts will happen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@ wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey ppl
> >> >>
> >> >> I just thought I'd report in.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I was choosing an amp, most people recommended Peavey, 
but
> > some
> >> >> recommended Behringer and I went for the latter in a fit of EU
> >> >> support, and I think I believed that the Behringer with its 
three
> >> >> speakers would give a wider range than the Peavey, with its 
one.
> > I
> >> > may
> >> >> well be wrong about all of that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, I was warned that Behringer has a reputation for
> >> >> unreliability, but someone else said that, this being a new
> > product,
> >> >> perhaps they'd fixed that.
> >> >>
> >> >> So a few weeks ago I was on stage, maybe using the amp 
properly

> > for
> >> >> about the fourth time, in the middle of the opening song, when
> > the
> >> > amp
> >> >> failed with a smell of hot electronics and a lot of bass hum,
> >> >> regardless of the settings.
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, we wired the kit through the PA and were able to carry on,
> > but
> >> > not
> >> >> before we'd tried to play a song with no drum monitoring. The
> > only
> >> >> drum sound was that which bounced off the far wall of the hall
> > about
> >> >> 1/4 a second too late. Very disconcerting.
> >> >>
> >> >> I ended up using the vocal monitor, which left vocals at a
> >> >> disadvantage. So all very upsetting. I'm no longer a Behringer
> >> >> supporter. You Peavey people were probably right and I was
> > probably
> >> >> wrong and I'm sorry.
> >> >>
> >> >> J
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Randy said:
> I played a lot
> of Jazz when I was younger I learned then if the bass and drums are
> not comunicating the rest of the band is in for a long night.

Aye, I can't remember if I said, but we'd wired me to the amp, and the
amp to the desk, so when the amp failed all drums failed.

For the next song, we wired me to the desk, but with no monitoring, so
we were hearing the drums through the PA, bounced off the far wall
with about a 1/4 or 1/2 second delay. I had to play along with the
bassist by feel, but I'm not sure our singers knew what the hell was
going on .. it certainly made their dancing interesting.

By the third song we had monitoring and all was well. But possibly
that's a danger of wiring the way we had it.

In another band I was in, currently sleeping, we wired up like this
<http://www.rahcollector.co.uk/stage.php4> and we'd have been able to
carry on without a problem.

J