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2007-03-07 by Keith
I have finally got round to creating a web site for the DTXpander alias the "Magic Box", now called the DKDI-21. I have put the link under the links section. Any comments are appreciated. http://www.dtxpander.co.uk/ It is still open for anyone to build one themselves if they want to (for "personal use") - the latest circuit will always be on the site. Keith.
2007-03-07 by emf
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@...> wrote: > > I have finally got round to creating a web site for the DTXpander > alias the "Magic Box", now called the DKDI-21. I have put the link > under the links section. Any comments are appreciated. > > http://www.dtxpander.co.uk/ > > It is still open for anyone to build one themselves if they want to > (for "personal use") - the latest circuit will always be on the site. > > Keith. > Nice job, Keith.
2007-03-08 by Keith
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > Nice job, Keith. > Thanks. A slightly off topic question you may be able to help me with. I am trying to help someone who has built a 3 zone expander (using the circuit posted here) but is using it on the TD8. The second zone works, but not the third. I know Yamaha just adds a 10k resistor for the third zone, I guess Roland do something different - hopefully just a different resistor value. Do you have a 3 zone Roland pad on which you could measure the resistance of the second & third zones? Keith.
2007-03-08 by Damon, Rob
Keith, Where as Yamaha uses just one stereo input for it's three zone pads, Roland uses two input jacks to accomplish the same thing. Thus I believe the Peizo and the rim switch goes to one input and the Peizo and bell switch goes to the second input. So the 3 zone expander wouldn't work on the Roland modules. OGD ________________________________
From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:05 AM To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DTXpress] R***nd question --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress%40yahoogroups.com> , "emf" <liberatusvirus@...> wrote: > Nice job, Keith. > Thanks. A slightly off topic question you may be able to help me with. I am trying to help someone who has built a 3 zone expander (using the circuit posted here) but is using it on the TD8. The second zone works, but not the third. I know Yamaha just adds a 10k resistor for the third zone, I guess Roland do something different - hopefully just a different resistor value. Do you have a 3 zone Roland pad on which you could measure the resistance of the second & third zones? ______________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
2007-03-08 by Keith
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Damon, Rob" <rdamon@...> wrote: > Where as Yamaha uses just one stereo input for it's three zone pads, > Roland uses two input jacks to accomplish the same thing. Thus I believe > the Peizo and the rim switch goes to one input and the Peizo and bell > switch goes to the second input. So the 3 zone expander wouldn't work on > the Roland modules. Thanks, I will pass that on. Keith.
2007-03-08 by Keith
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Damon, Rob" <rdamon@...> wrote: >Where as Yamaha uses just one stereo input for it's three zone pads, > Roland uses two input jacks to accomplish the same thing. Thus I believe > the Peizo and the rim switch goes to one input and the Peizo and bell > switch goes to the second input. So the 3 zone expander wouldn't work on > the Roland modules. One query about that connection - when you hit the bell, what stops you getting the main cymbal sound on the other input, or conversely, when you hit the rim, what stops you getting a sound from the other input? Is there some configuration on the module which can inhibit one sound if there is a trigger pulse on an adjacent input (a bit like and excessive specific trigger rejection)? Keith.
2007-03-08 by Keith
Yet more information (as if anyone wants it on the Yamaha Group!). Reading the TD-8 manual, it seems to support 3 zones using a single input on the snare. However, no mention of 3 zone cymbals. The TD-12 seems to have a specific input (10) linked to the ride cymbal, marked "edge" so I guess there is something about the way that input is used which prevents the mutliple sounds I was worried about. Keith.
2007-03-08 by Damon, Rob
On the TD20 I have there are two "Paired" inputs for the CY15R (Rolands 3-zone cymbal). I think when you tell the module that you have a CY15R plugged into these two inputs, the module handles these inputs as "linked" inputs and based on the what trigger zone you hit, it determines what sound to play. I just don't know if it just uses the peizo input from the one input jack or if from both, it would be easy to find out. Just unplug one of the cables at a time and see what happens. That brings up an interesting point that I will try when I get home tonight. With the Yamaha, you can get just one (bell) or the other (rim) to trigger at a time, not both. I am now wondering if with two inputs on the Roland module, you can hit both the rim and the bell at the same time and get both to sound (not that there would ever be a reason to do it.) I am also wondering if the bell zone is "chokable" like the rim. Never thought of trying it before. Rob ________________________________
From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:41 AM To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DTXpress] Re: R*land question --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress%40yahoogroups.com> , "Damon, Rob" <rdamon@...> wrote: >Where as Yamaha uses just one stereo input for it's three zone pads, > Roland uses two input jacks to accomplish the same thing. Thus I believe > the Peizo and the rim switch goes to one input and the Peizo and bell > switch goes to the second input. So the 3 zone expander wouldn't work on > the Roland modules. One query about that connection - when you hit the bell, what stops you getting the main cymbal sound on the other input, or conversely, when you hit the rim, what stops you getting a sound from the other input? Is there some configuration on the module which can inhibit one sound if there is a trigger pulse on an adjacent input (a bit like and excessive specific trigger rejection)? ______________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
2007-03-08 by Damon, Rob
Keith, I think the three zone snare is a miss-leading. Where the Yamaha pads have two separate rim ribbon switches (i.e. TP-65/100/120,PCY130S/150S), the Roland pads do not. The Roland pads have a shell peizo for the rim and a cone peizo for the Mesh head. I assume that when you lay the stick across both rims (and you cannot touch the mesh head when you do this) and you strike the rim, the module "sees" a certain wave form and plays the cross stick. If you strike both the rim/pad it "sees" a different wave form. By looking at these wave forms, you get the positional sensing. Rob ________________________________
From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:58 AM To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DTXpress] Re: R*land question Yet more information (as if anyone wants it on the Yamaha Group!). Reading the TD-8 manual, it seems to support 3 zones using a single input on the snare. However, no mention of 3 zone cymbals. The TD-12 seems to have a specific input (10) linked to the ride cymbal, marked "edge" so I guess there is something about the way that input is used which prevents the mutliple sounds I was worried about. Keith. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
2007-03-08 by Keith
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Damon, Rob" <rdamon@...> wrote: > I think the three zone snare is a miss-leading. Where the Yamaha pads > have two separate rim ribbon switches (i.e. TP-65/100/120,PCY130S/150S), > the Roland pads do not. Rob, Thanks, I think it is slowly becoming clearer. I noticed that the Roland manual is very specific about how you make the rim shot and cross stick sounds whereas the Yamaha is very tolerant - you don't have to hit the pad to get the rim shot. Keith.
2007-03-08 by Damon, Rob
Keith, The Roland is a lot more finicky about cross-sticking than the Yammies. If you have big hands/fingers it can be a problem getting the cross-stick to work. You have to keep your fingers on the side/top of the stick. If you touch the mesh head with your fingers, you end up getting more of a rim shot sound and not the cross-stick sound. Rob ________________________________
From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:24 AM To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DTXpress] Re: R*land question Thanks, I think it is slowly becoming clearer. I noticed that the Roland manual is very specific about how you make the rim shot and cross stick sounds whereas the Yamaha is very tolerant - you don't have to hit the pad to get the rim shot. ______________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________