Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi everyone!

I have a DTXpress 1 drum kit (I know it's old but it still does the 
job) and I've purchased a DTXtreme snare drum pad (RHP120SD). Now, the 
RHP120SD has 2 triggers, the drumhead and the rim. I hooked up the 
RHP120SD to the snare input of my DTXpress brain (with is also 
supposed to be a stereo input) using a stereo cable. When I hit the 
rim, there is no rim hit triggered into the brain it is only triggered 
when I play actual rim shots very loud hitting both the rim and the 
drumhead at the same time. So my question is: Is it possible to 
configure the brain to play a crossstick sound when I play only the 
rim of my pad? If yes, how is that done? I don't really care about the 
rimshots, only crosssticks.

Thanks in advance...

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "cyberdiablo2112" <nickdiab@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I have a DTXpress 1 drum kit (I know it's old but it still does the 
> job) and I've purchased a DTXtreme snare drum pad (RHP120SD). Now, the 
> RHP120SD has 2 triggers, the drumhead and the rim. I hooked up the 
> RHP120SD to the snare input of my DTXpress brain (with is also 
> supposed to be a stereo input) using a stereo cable. When I hit the 
> rim, there is no rim hit triggered into the brain it is only triggered 
> when I play actual rim shots very loud hitting both the rim and the 
> drumhead at the same time. So my question is: Is it possible to 
> configure the brain to play a crossstick sound when I play only the 
> rim of my pad? If yes, how is that done? I don't really care about the 
> rimshots, only crosssticks.
> 
> Thanks in advance...
>

The RHP120SD has two piezos rather than a single piezo with rim
switch.  You cannot use it in the normal two or three zone inputs.  If
you haven't used inputs 9/10 you can use a splitter cable to feed the
rim sound into 9 or 10.  It gets more complicated if you have no spare
inputs.

Keith.

Is there a pad that will work with the DTXpress 1 that will allow rim shots?

Ken



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Keith" <keith@...>
To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Rim trigger with RHP120SD pad


> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "cyberdiablo2112" <nickdiab@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I have a DTXpress 1 drum kit (I know it's old but it still does the
>> job) and I've purchased a DTXtreme snare drum pad (RHP120SD). Now, the
>> RHP120SD has 2 triggers, the drumhead and the rim. I hooked up the
>> RHP120SD to the snare input of my DTXpress brain (with is also
>> supposed to be a stereo input) using a stereo cable. When I hit the
>> rim, there is no rim hit triggered into the brain it is only triggered
>> when I play actual rim shots very loud hitting both the rim and the
>> drumhead at the same time. So my question is: Is it possible to
>> configure the brain to play a crossstick sound when I play only the
>> rim of my pad? If yes, how is that done? I don't really care about the
>> rimshots, only crosssticks.
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>
> The RHP120SD has two piezos rather than a single piezo with rim
> switch.  You cannot use it in the normal two or three zone inputs.  If
> you haven't used inputs 9/10 you can use a splitter cable to feed the
> rim sound into 9 or 10.  It gets more complicated if you have no spare
> inputs.
>
> Keith.
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ken W." <boomer17@...> wrote:
>
> Is there a pad that will work with the DTXpress 1 that will allow rim 
> shots?
> 
> Ken

Ken,

The DTXpress 1 only supports dual zone, not three zone, but the 3 zone
pads will work.  Examples would be the TP65S or TP100 (my favourite)
if you want something bigger.

Some of the Roland pads will work.  The older Yamaha RHP pads will
only work if you use two inputs (or my DTXpander circuit).  They were
designed for the original DTXtreme which had 16 piezo inputs.

Keith.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "cyberdiablo2112" <nickdiab@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> > 
> > I have a DTXpress 1 drum kit (I know it's old but it still does 
the 
> > job) and I've purchased a DTXtreme snare drum pad (RHP120SD). 
Now, the 
> > RHP120SD has 2 triggers, the drumhead and the rim. I hooked up 
the 
> > RHP120SD to the snare input of my DTXpress brain (with is also 
> > supposed to be a stereo input) using a stereo cable. When I hit 
the 
> > rim, there is no rim hit triggered into the brain it is only 
triggered 
> > when I play actual rim shots very loud hitting both the rim and 
the 
> > drumhead at the same time. So my question is: Is it possible to 
> > configure the brain to play a crossstick sound when I play only 
the 
> > rim of my pad? If yes, how is that done? I don't really care 
about the 
> > rimshots, only crosssticks.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance...
> >
> 
> The RHP120SD has two piezos rather than a single piezo with rim
> switch.  You cannot use it in the normal two or three zone 
inputs.  If
> you haven't used inputs 9/10 you can use a splitter cable to feed 
the
> rim sound into 9 or 10.  It gets more complicated if you have no 
spare
> inputs.
> 
> Keith.
>

Thank you very much for you answer Keith, it's pretty clear that I 
will not be able to get the cross stick using the Snare input ( and 
I don't want to use the 9/10 input because they are already in use 
by other pads, also the snare would be misplaced for all the factory 
drumkits). I still have on question, what is exactly the difference 
between a piezo input and a rim switch???

Nicolas.

> Thank you very much for you answer Keith, it's pretty clear that I 
> will not be able to get the cross stick using the Snare input ( and 
> I don't want to use the 9/10 input because they are already in use 
> by other pads, also the snare would be misplaced for all the factory 
> drumkits). I still have on question, what is exactly the difference 
> between a piezo input and a rim switch???
> 
> Nicolas.
>

Nicolas,

The piezo actually produces the signal.  The normal pads (stereo or
otherwise) only have one piezo.  To get the rim sound they have a
switch on the rim which is connected to the ring of the connector. 
When you hit the rim, the signal still comes from the piezo, but the
switch being closed tells the module to make a different sound.  The
old RHP pads just had two piezos and used two inputs.  Pintech snares
do the same.

There is one other solution if you are handy with a soldering iron. 
Look in the files section for "DTXpander cheap".  This is a circuit I
designed which converts two piezo signals into a single signal plus a
simulated rim switch signal.  It would allow you to feed the RHP into
the snare input.  I cannot say how well it will work with the RHP.  It
has been used with quite a range of pads and modules, from Roland,
Pintech, Yamaha and home made, so it is worth a go.

I do have a few made up which I sell to people who don't want build
their own, but with the dollar being worth less than two sheckles at
the moment and me being in the UK, it tends to work out expensive if
you are in the USA.

Keith.