Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I recently purchased a DTXpress II module but have not received it
yet. Currently I have the following setup:

TP65 x5
TP65s x1 
PCY65 x2 
PCY65s x1
KP65 x1
PCY150s x1


Is there any way I will be able to hook up all of the pads without
losing the choking capability of the PCY65s, or the 3 zones of the
150s and TP65s? I was considering also just splitting one of the
inputs to make 2 of the pads trigger the same sound. Will this work at
all? I'm trying to get the most out of what I have, any suggestions
would be great.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fddrummer06" <fddrummer@...> wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a DTXpress II module but have not received it
> yet. Currently I have the following setup:
> 
> TP65 x5
> TP65s x1 
> PCY65 x2 
> PCY65s x1
> KP65 x1
> PCY150s x1
> 
> 
> Is there any way I will be able to hook up all of the pads without
> losing the choking capability of the PCY65s, or the 3 zones of the
> 150s and TP65s? I was considering also just splitting one of the
> inputs to make 2 of the pads trigger the same sound. Will this work at
> all? I'm trying to get the most out of what I have, any suggestions
> would be great.
>

Well, the first thing is you have 11 pads and 10 inputs so something
is going to have to give!

All the cymbal inputs are chokable - that also extends to the toms as
well provided you set them up as the correct pads in the trigger menu.
 That would mean a lot of kit editing so keeping the toms in the
correct place is easiest.

My suggestion would be:

1 KP65 kick
2 TP65S snare
3 TP65 tom
4 TP65 tom
5 TP65 tom
6 PC65S ride
7 PCY150S crash
8 PCY65 hi-hat
9 PCY65 (through splitter) for splash or china
10 TP65 (through splitter) extra tom

That leaves you with a spare TP65. I prefer a PCY65 for the hi-hat (I
actually use a TP65S) but if you prefer a TP65, swap that and you will
have a PCY65 left over instead of a TP65.  That may be preferable to
you, and would mean you could duplicate something like your ride on
the opposite side of the kit - you can put pads in parallel, although
if one is dual zone and the other isn't make sure you don't short out
the connector ring otherwise you will lose your dual zone.

Keith.

Just a quick note.

On the Dtxpress II module, Yamaha slipped up and only inputs 2, 6 and 7
are chokable.  On the Dtxpress 1 and 3 inputs 1-8 are chokable from the
factory. When I discovered this years ago, I was lucky enough to get
Yamaha to burn new ROM chips so that all inputs 1-8 would choke on the
Dtxpress II module. Inputs 9/10 do not choke. Only inputs 2, 6, 7 are "3
zone" inputs.

 

OGD

From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:21 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Is this possible at all?

 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fddrummer06" <fddrummer@...> wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a DTXpress II module but have not received it
> yet. Currently I have the following setup:
> 
> TP65 x5
> TP65s x1 
> PCY65 x2 
> PCY65s x1
> KP65 x1
> PCY150s x1
> 
> 
> Is there any way I will be able to hook up all of the pads without
> losing the choking capability of the PCY65s, or the 3 zones of the
> 150s and TP65s? I was considering also just splitting one of the
> inputs to make 2 of the pads trigger the same sound. Will this work at
> all? I'm trying to get the most out of what I have, any suggestions
> would be great.
>

Well, the first thing is you have 11 pads and 10 inputs so something
is going to have to give!

All the cymbal inputs are chokable - that also extends to the toms as
well provided you set them up as the correct pads in the trigger menu.
That would mean a lot of kit editing so keeping the toms in the
correct place is easiest.

My suggestion would be:

1 KP65 kick
2 TP65S snare
3 TP65 tom
4 TP65 tom
5 TP65 tom
6 PC65S ride
7 PCY150S crash
8 PCY65 hi-hat
9 PCY65 (through splitter) for splash or china
10 TP65 (through splitter) extra tom

That leaves you with a spare TP65. I prefer a PCY65 for the hi-hat (I
actually use a TP65S) but if you prefer a TP65, swap that and you will
have a PCY65 left over instead of a TP65. That may be preferable to
you, and would mean you could duplicate something like your ride on
the opposite side of the kit - you can put pads in parallel, although
if one is dual zone and the other isn't make sure you don't short out
the connector ring otherwise you will lose your dual zone.

Keith.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Damon, Rob" <rdamon@...> wrote:
>
> Just a quick note.
> 
> On the Dtxpress II module, Yamaha slipped up and only inputs 2, 6 and7
> are chokable.  On the Dtxpress 1 and 3 inputs 1-8 are chokable from 
> the factory. When I discovered this years ago, I was lucky enough to 
> get Yamaha to burn new ROM chips so that all inputs 1-8 would choke on 
> the Dtxpress II module. Inputs 9/10 do not choke. Only inputs 2, 6,
7 > are "3 zone" inputs.

Thanks.  I knew there was something funny about choking on one of the
modules but couldn't remember what.  I checked my DTXpress III and you
can choke the toms if you set the trigger menu to expect the dual zone
cymbals.

Keith.

One of the neat things about the Dtxpress III is that Yamaha  changed
the programming so that if you assign input 8 as a hihat is will not
choke. If you assign input 8 as any other pad type it will choke.

 

OGD

From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:43 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Is this possible at all?

 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Damon, Rob" <rdamon@...> wrote:
>
> Just a quick note.
> 
> On the Dtxpress II module, Yamaha slipped up and only inputs 2, 6 and7
> are chokable. On the Dtxpress 1 and 3 inputs 1-8 are chokable from 
> the factory. When I discovered this years ago, I was lucky enough to 
> get Yamaha to burn new ROM chips so that all inputs 1-8 would choke on

> the Dtxpress II module. Inputs 9/10 do not choke. Only inputs 2, 6,
7 > are "3 zone" inputs.

Thanks. I knew there was something funny about choking on one of the
modules but couldn't remember what. I checked my DTXpress III and you
can choke the toms if you set the trigger menu to expect the dual zone
cymbals.

Keith.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fddrummer06" <fddrummer@> wrote:
> >
> > I recently purchased a DTXpress II module but have not received it
> > yet. Currently I have the following setup:
> > 
> > TP65 x5
> > TP65s x1 
> > PCY65 x2 
> > PCY65s x1
> > KP65 x1
> > PCY150s x1
> > 
> > 
> > Is there any way I will be able to hook up all of the pads without
> > losing the choking capability of the PCY65s, or the 3 zones of the
> > 150s and TP65s? I was considering also just splitting one of the
> > inputs to make 2 of the pads trigger the same sound. Will this work at
> > all? I'm trying to get the most out of what I have, any suggestions
> > would be great.
> >
> 
> Well, the first thing is you have 11 pads and 10 inputs so something
> is going to have to give!
> 
> All the cymbal inputs are chokable - that also extends to the toms as
> well provided you set them up as the correct pads in the trigger menu.
>  That would mean a lot of kit editing so keeping the toms in the
> correct place is easiest.
> 
> My suggestion would be:
> 
> 1 KP65 kick
> 2 TP65S snare
> 3 TP65 tom
> 4 TP65 tom
> 5 TP65 tom
> 6 PC65S ride
> 7 PCY150S crash
> 8 PCY65 hi-hat
> 9 PCY65 (through splitter) for splash or china
> 10 TP65 (through splitter) extra tom
> 
> That leaves you with a spare TP65. I prefer a PCY65 for the hi-hat (I
> actually use a TP65S) but if you prefer a TP65, swap that and you will
> have a PCY65 left over instead of a TP65.  That may be preferable to
> you, and would mean you could duplicate something like your ride on
> the opposite side of the kit - you can put pads in parallel, although
> if one is dual zone and the other isn't make sure you don't short out
> the connector ring otherwise you will lose your dual zone.
> 
> Keith.
>

You use a TP65s for the hihat? I'm guessing that means the HH input
will accept dual zone pads as well. If I were to pick up another
PCY65s, would it automatically assign an edge/bow type sound to the HH
 even on the factory kits?

Another thing to consider is moving the KP65 to inputs 9/10 and use it
as the splitter and in one of the menu's you can do a swap input
function 1->9, 9->1, and continue using the factory kits.  So basically
input one because input 9 (or 10 I can't remember now). You then need a
stereo cable from the module to the KP65 input and a mono cable from the
KP65 aux out to the second pad.

That way you will only need to buy one stereo to two stereo splitter
(think headphone splitter and parallel one of the cymbal inputs with the
extra PCY65 you have.

 

OGD

From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of fddrummer06
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:08 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Is this possible at all?

 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Keith" <keith@...> wrote:
>

> My suggestion would be:
> 
> 1 KP65 kick
> 2 TP65S snare
> 3 TP65 tom
> 4 TP65 tom
> 5 TP65 tom
> 6 PC65S ride
> 7 PCY150S crash
> 8 PCY65 hi-hat
> 9 PCY65 (through splitter) for splash or china
> 10 TP65 (through splitter) extra tom




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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fddrummer06" <fddrummer@...> wrote:
> You use a TP65s for the hihat? I'm guessing that means the HH input
> will accept dual zone pads as well. If I were to pick up another
> PCY65s, would it automatically assign an edge/bow type sound to the HH
>  even on the factory kits?
>

PCY65S as the hi-hat - yes.  The module accepts a dual zone hi-hat so
you can get an edge sound, for example, from it.  Quite good for
emphasis or off-beat accents.  The standard kits already have an edge
sound programmed in on the hi-hat (on my DTXpress III anyway).

Keith.

And for something really out in left field....

 

If you can find a PCY10 (very hard to come by) and pickup a second used
cheap Dtxpress module, with a few cables/splitters you can actually have
a three zone hihat with the PCY10 as the bell and the PCY65S and the
bow/edge all controlled from a single HH65 pedal.

I posted instructions way back several years ago on how to do this.

OGD

From: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:35 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Is this possible at all?

 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fddrummer06" <fddrummer@...> wrote:
> You use a TP65s for the hihat? I'm guessing that means the HH input
> will accept dual zone pads as well. If I were to pick up another
> PCY65s, would it automatically assign an edge/bow type sound to the HH
> even on the factory kits?
>

PCY65S as the hi-hat - yes. The module accepts a dual zone hi-hat so
you can get an edge sound, for example, from it. Quite good for
emphasis or off-beat accents. The standard kits already have an edge
sound programmed in on the hi-hat (on my DTXpress III anyway).

Keith.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fddrummer06" <fddrummer@> wrote:
> > You use a TP65s for the hihat? I'm guessing that means the HH input
> > will accept dual zone pads as well. If I were to pick up another
> > PCY65s, would it automatically assign an edge/bow type sound to the HH
> >  even on the factory kits?
> >
> 
> PCY65S as the hi-hat - yes.  The module accepts a dual zone hi-hat so
> you can get an edge sound, for example, from it.  Quite good for
> emphasis or off-beat accents.  The standard kits already have an edge
> sound programmed in on the hi-hat (on my DTXpress III anyway).
> 
> Keith.
>

Very cool, makes it very similar to an acoustic set. I've decided to
go with another PCY65s for the HH, so I'll be leaving out 1 PCY65 and
1 TP65 in favor of the following setup:

Kick - KP65
Snare - TP65s
Toms - 4xTP65
HH & Crash - 2xPCY65s
Ride - PCY150s
Crash 2 - PCY65

[quote]If you can find a PCY10 (very hard to come by) and pickup a >>>second used cheap Dtxpress module<<<, with a few cables/splitters you can actually have a three zone hihat with the PCY10 as the bell and the PCY65S and the bow/edge all controlled from a single HH65 pedal.

I posted instructions way back several years ago on how to do this.

OGD[quote/]

Old thread, but for anyone considering using multiple trigger modules, there is so many possibilities...I use (4) trigger modules on an extended rack/pad kit. I also wired up stereo splitter Y cable, so that my Hi=Hat controller pedal go's to (2) of my DTXpress modules so I can use two separate trigger pads dedicated for Hi-Hat sounds. I'm considering making a splitter cable so that my Hi-Hat controller pedal go's to ALL (4) trigger modules so I can assign different Hi-Hat sounds from each module....

Note that I'm now using my extended/multiple module kit with Toon Track's Superior drums VSTi for my drum sounds. The dual-module set up allows me more variations of Superior Drums Hi-Hat sounds (the main reason I'm considering having the Hi-Hat controller pedal to control all 4 modules). As a thought I can even assign a module to a 2nd instance or even another drum VSTi on another track in my DAW.

With (4) modules and nearly (4) kits worth of trigger pads, I have enough triggers to control the largest of kit piece counts in a drum VSTi. In fact I have trigger pads to spare!

With the above in mind, what I'm currently gearing up to do is designing and building myself a DIY/custom Hi-Hat pad with (8) triggers to go with my 1 to 8 stereo splitter going to all (4) modules. One thing to keep in mind when using one Hi-Hat controller pedal to more than one module is, that controller even say two modules with one pedal, is that when you press the foot controller pedal down, both modules will play the same sound, which will make that sound louder & have a slight flange effect sound...BOTH UNDESIRABLE. The solution is to either assign different sounds per module, or assign a module not to play a sound.

Also, with regarding using a multiple module set up - as I do with ToonTrack Superior Drums VST- you have to greatly edit the midi note #'s in the modules...this somewhat scrambles the note #'s throughout various modules. If you don't you'll find that some of your triggers will be playing the same kit piece sounds in your VSTi twice, or more. EASY...on your module, just press "VOICE" and then "PAGE" (down arrow) about 5 times until you go to the 'note #' menu, the change the "VALUE" one way or another for your choice of any note #/sound.

Just food for thought ;)