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Dual Trigger Snare

Dual Trigger Snare

2002-06-21 by chitsman

Hello Everyone,

OK, I bought a Dual Trigger Acusnare off of ebay for a decent price, 
and I have plugged it into input 9/10 with a stereo cable and 
everything is working.

Can I get any recommendations for sounds to use for my new setup. All 
of the stock sounds are cymbals, cowbells, etc. I want some killer 
snare and rim combinations that I can quickly setup to get started 
and become familiar with what type of sounds I should be looking for.

Maybe I should go to the Guitar center and sit down on a V-Drum kit 
to see what they have programed???

Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated, and who knows we 
may inspire some other users to become more creative also.


Thanks,

Cary

Re: Dual Trigger Snare

2002-06-21 by hairytrigger

Cary
Killer sounds are very subjective. the coolest sounds are different 
for everybody. The best way is to just set the voice for Snare drum, 
and scroll thru the voices,playing each one til you find some you 
like. Try changing the tuning a little on each one. Save the one you 
like to different kits. Then set the rim to snare also, and scroll 
thru to find the right rim sounds. Many combinations will work great.
Then experiment with voice two on snare. Layer the two different 
sounds, with or with out crossfade. Or try the same sound on v-1 and 
v-2, with different pitch and tone, with crossfade, for a more 
realistic response.
It just takes some experimentation to find the right sounds for you. I 
don't have my kit here or I would give specific combos.
PS How is the accusnare response? I'm using a Concertcast ST with 
great success, but could always use a bigger, more sensitive pad.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> OK, I bought a Dual Trigger Acusnare off of ebay for a decent price, 
> and I have plugged it into input 9/10 with a stereo cable and 
> everything is working.
> 
> Can I get any recommendations for sounds to use for my new setup. 
All 
> of the stock sounds are cymbals, cowbells, etc. I want some killer 
> snare and rim combinations that I can quickly set up to get started 
> and become familiar with what type of sounds I should be looking 
for.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Maybe I should go to the Guitar center and sit down on a V-Drum kit 
> to see what they have programed???
> 
> Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated, and who knows we 
> may inspire some other users to become more creative also.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Cary

Re: Dual Trigger Snare

2002-06-21 by chitsman

Scott

Thank you for the advice. I will go through the sounds to find a 
snare sound that I like. Do I use a second snare sound for the rim 
also? This is the mystery to me. If so, do I set it up with a louder 
volume?

I like the Acusnare. It is nice to have a pad that is larger and more 
realistic in both size and feel. Those little rubber pads were 
beginning to bother my hands. It does seem to be very sensitive. This 
is my first experience playing a mesh head trigger, other than 
demoing some V-Drums. Also I felt that the price on this Acusnare 
made it an easy addition.

If you do have a chance to gicve me a couple of examples for the dual 
trigger snare setup, I would appreciate it.

Cary

--- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> Cary
> Killer sounds are very subjective. the coolest sounds are different 
> for everybody. The best way is to just set the voice for Snare 
drum, 
> and scroll thru the voices,playing each one til you find some you 
> like. Try changing the tuning a little on each one. Save the one 
you 
> like to different kits. Then set the rim to snare also, and scroll 
> thru to find the right rim sounds. Many combinations will work 
great.
> Then experiment with voice two on snare. Layer the two different 
> sounds, with or with out crossfade. Or try the same sound on v-1 
and 
> v-2, with different pitch and tone, with crossfade, for a more 
> realistic response.
> It just takes some experimentation to find the right sounds for 
you. I 
> don't have my kit here or I would give specific combos.
> PS How is the accusnare response? I'm using a Concertcast ST with 
> great success, but could always use a bigger, more sensitive pad.
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > OK, I bought a Dual Trigger Acusnare off of ebay for a decent 
price, 
> > and I have plugged it into input 9/10 with a stereo cable and 
> > everything is working.
> > 
> > Can I get any recommendations for sounds to use for my new setup. 
> All 
> > of the stock sounds are cymbals, cowbells, etc. I want some 
killer 
> > snare and rim combinations that I can quickly set up to get 
started 
> > and become familiar with what type of sounds I should be looking 
> for.
> > 
> > Maybe I should go to the Guitar center and sit down on a V-Drum 
kit 
> > to see what they have programed???
> > 
> > Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated, and who knows 
we 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > may inspire some other users to become more creative also.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Cary

Re: Dual Trigger Snare

2002-06-22 by hairytrigger

Cary
Yes the rim sounds are in with the snare sounds. I think most of them 
have 'RIM' in the voice name, such as: '2 LooseyRim,' 20 'BigWoodRim'
Many of them are paired with a regular snare sound, and many are 
already layered. Your assumption about the volume is usually correct. 
The rim voice does work better when it is a little louder. It is 
usually louder when playing an acoustic snare. If you find some snare 
sounds you like, but they dont have corresponding rim sounds, pic one 
that is close, and change the pitch and decay and  Filter Cutoff 
Frequency for the voice to see if you can get it close enough. Usually 
you can. I won't be back at my kit til Sunday, so I don't have access 
to my set ups. Hope this helps.
About the accusnare. I also couldn't handle smacking the rubber pad on 
snare all night.My Concertcast has the mesh head. I love it. But I 
also love the rubber pads for toms and ride cymbal.I would like to 
find something else for HiHat tho!
Scott

--- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> Scott
> 
> Thank you for the advice. I will go through the sounds to find a 
> snare sound that I like. Do I use a second snare sound for the rim 
> also? This is the mystery to me. If so, do I set it up with a louder 
> volume?
> 
> I like the Acusnare. It is nice to have a pad that is larger and 
more 
> realistic in both size and feel. Those little rubber pads were 
> beginning to bother my hands. It does seem to be very sensitive. 
This 
> is my first experience playing a mesh head trigger, other than 
> demoing some V-Drums. Also I felt that the price on this Acusnare 
> made it an easy addition.
> 
> If you do have a chance to gicve me a couple of examples for the 
dual 
> trigger snare setup, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Cary
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > Cary
> > Killer sounds are very subjective. the coolest sounds are 
different 
> > for everybody. The best way is to just set the voice for Snare 
> drum, 
> > and scroll thru the voices,playing each one til you find some you 
> > like. Try changing the tuning a little on each one. Save the one 
> you 
> > like to different kits. Then set the rim to snare also, and scroll 
> > thru to find the right rim sounds. Many combinations will work 
> great.
> > Then experiment with voice two on snare. Layer the two different 
> > sounds, with or with out crossfade. Or try the same sound on v-1 
> and 
> > v-2, with different pitch and tone, with crossfade, for a more 
> > realistic response.
> > It just takes some experimentation to find the right sounds for 
> you. I 
> > don't have my kit here or I would give specific combos.
> > PS How is the accusnare response? I'm using a Concertcast ST with 
> > great success, but could always use a bigger, more sensitive pad.
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > > 
> > > OK, I bought a Dual Trigger Acusnare off of ebay for a decent 
> price, 
> > > and I have plugged it into input 9/10 with a stereo cable and 
> > > everything is working.
> > > 
> > > Can I get any recommendations for sounds to use for my new 
setup. 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > All 
> > > of the stock sounds are cymbals, cowbells, etc. I want some 
> killer 
> > > snare and rim combinations that I can quickly set up to get 
> started 
> > > and become familiar with what type of sounds I should be looking 
> > for.
> > > 
> > > Maybe I should go to the Guitar center and sit down on a V-Drum 
> kit 
> > > to see what they have programed???
> > > 
> > > Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated, and who knows 
> we 
> > > may inspire some other users to become more creative also.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Cary

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Dual Trigger Snare

2002-06-22 by Walt

Hi Cary,

I remember going through (or at least, something very
similar to) what you are, so let me throw in my two
cents worth.  It is a great question when you're just
starting to think about doing more with your kit.

With a true dual trigger pad (snare or otherwise) what
you really have is the ability to set up a sound for
the pad, and a different one for the rim.  You have
total control over their settings (i.e., which voice,
how loud, reverb, etc.), but you need to use two
inputs to get this ability.  

What kinds of things can you do with this?  Let's say
that you have one kit defined for slow, as we used to
call it - belly rubbin' music', here you could set up
the pad to have a soft snare sound, and the rim to
have  a stick sound (that wood-block like sound - is
that cross stick?).  On the other end, you could have
a different kit for high energy where the pad is a
tight snare sound, and the rim has a rimshot sound. 
By tweaking all of the settings the right way you can
replicate those two totally different acoustic snare
environments with your single drum set, and switch
between them with a press of a button or two.  

Of course, with the voices available on the DTXpress,
your imagination, and experimentation, become the only
limiting factors as to what you could do with the
combinations of sounds you want to have for a snare,
or any dual trigger pad.  

Another example could be for a dual trigger cymbal
pad, like the Hart 16" ride for example.  Here you
have the main trigger defined for a deep ride ping,
and the bell trigger set for - what else; a bell
sound.  Simple, but I hope it helps you understand the
big picture, so you can start drilling into what you
like.  

Walt    
--- chitsman <chitsman@...> wrote:
> Scott
> 
> Thank you for the advice. I will go through the
> sounds to find a 
> snare sound that I like. Do I use a second snare
> sound for the rim 
> also? This is the mystery to me. If so, do I set it
> up with a louder 
> volume?
> 
> I like the Acusnare. It is nice to have a pad that
> is larger and more 
> realistic in both size and feel. Those little rubber
> pads were 
> beginning to bother my hands. It does seem to be
> very sensitive. This 
> is my first experience playing a mesh head trigger,
> other than 
> demoing some V-Drums. Also I felt that the price on
> this Acusnare 
> made it an easy addition.
> 
> If you do have a chance to gicve me a couple of
> examples for the dual 
> trigger snare setup, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Cary
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...>
> wrote:
> > Cary
> > Killer sounds are very subjective. the coolest
> sounds are different 
> > for everybody. The best way is to just set the
> voice for Snare 
> drum, 
> > and scroll thru the voices,playing each one til
> you find some you 
> > like. Try changing the tuning a little on each
> one. Save the one 
> you 
> > like to different kits. Then set the rim to snare
> also, and scroll 
> > thru to find the right rim sounds. Many
> combinations will work 
> great.
> > Then experiment with voice two on snare. Layer the
> two different 
> > sounds, with or with out crossfade. Or try the
> same sound on v-1 
> and 
> > v-2, with different pitch and tone, with
> crossfade, for a more 
> > realistic response.
> > It just takes some experimentation to find the
> right sounds for 
> you. I 
> > don't have my kit here or I would give specific
> combos.
> > PS How is the accusnare response? I'm using a
> Concertcast ST with 
> > great success, but could always use a bigger, more
> sensitive pad.
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...>
> wrote:
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > > 
> > > OK, I bought a Dual Trigger Acusnare off of ebay
> for a decent 
> price, 
> > > and I have plugged it into input 9/10 with a
> stereo cable and 
> > > everything is working.
> > > 
> > > Can I get any recommendations for sounds to use
> for my new setup. 
> > All 
> > > of the stock sounds are cymbals, cowbells, etc.
> I want some 
> killer 
> > > snare and rim combinations that I can quickly
> set up to get 
> started 
> > > and become familiar with what type of sounds I
> should be looking 
> > for.
> > > 
> > > Maybe I should go to the Guitar center and sit
> down on a V-Drum 
> kit 
> > > to see what they have programed???
> > > 
> > > Any advice and help would be greatly
> appreciated, and who knows 
> we 
> > > may inspire some other users to become more
> creative also.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Cary
> 
> 

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Re: [DTXpress] Re: Dual Trigger Snare

2002-06-23 by Walt

Hey Scott,

I am using the Hart HHs and an HH80 and love the
combination.  I know there was a set on eBay that
included the stand, but I haven't looked tonight to
see if they're still there.  Walt
--- hairytrigger <artifax@...> wrote:
> Cary
> Yes the rim sounds are in with the snare sounds. I
> think most of them 
> have 'RIM' in the voice name, such as: '2
> LooseyRim,' 20 'BigWoodRim'
> Many of them are paired with a regular snare sound,
> and many are 
> already layered. Your assumption about the volume is
> usually correct. 
> The rim voice does work better when it is a little
> louder. It is 
> usually louder when playing an acoustic snare. If
> you find some snare 
> sounds you like, but they dont have corresponding
> rim sounds, pic one 
> that is close, and change the pitch and decay and 
> Filter Cutoff 
> Frequency for the voice to see if you can get it
> close enough. Usually 
> you can. I won't be back at my kit til Sunday, so I
> don't have access 
> to my set ups. Hope this helps.
> About the accusnare. I also couldn't handle smacking
> the rubber pad on 
> snare all night.My Concertcast has the mesh head. I
> love it. But I 
> also love the rubber pads for toms and ride cymbal.I
> would like to 
> find something else for HiHat tho!
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...>
> wrote:
> > Scott
> > 
> > Thank you for the advice. I will go through the
> sounds to find a 
> > snare sound that I like. Do I use a second snare
> sound for the rim 
> > also? This is the mystery to me. If so, do I set
> it up with a louder 
> > volume?
> > 
> > I like the Acusnare. It is nice to have a pad that
> is larger and 
> more 
> > realistic in both size and feel. Those little
> rubber pads were 
> > beginning to bother my hands. It does seem to be
> very sensitive. 
> This 
> > is my first experience playing a mesh head
> trigger, other than 
> > demoing some V-Drums. Also I felt that the price
> on this Acusnare 
> > made it an easy addition.
> > 
> > If you do have a chance to gicve me a couple of
> examples for the 
> dual 
> > trigger snare setup, I would appreciate it.
> > 
> > Cary
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "hairytrigger"
> <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > Cary
> > > Killer sounds are very subjective. the coolest
> sounds are 
> different 
> > > for everybody. The best way is to just set the
> voice for Snare 
> > drum, 
> > > and scroll thru the voices,playing each one til
> you find some you 
> > > like. Try changing the tuning a little on each
> one. Save the one 
> > you 
> > > like to different kits. Then set the rim to
> snare also, and scroll 
> > > thru to find the right rim sounds. Many
> combinations will work 
> > great.
> > > Then experiment with voice two on snare. Layer
> the two different 
> > > sounds, with or with out crossfade. Or try the
> same sound on v-1 
> > and 
> > > v-2, with different pitch and tone, with
> crossfade, for a more 
> > > realistic response.
> > > It just takes some experimentation to find the
> right sounds for 
> > you. I 
> > > don't have my kit here or I would give specific
> combos.
> > > PS How is the accusnare response? I'm using a
> Concertcast ST with 
> > > great success, but could always use a bigger,
> more sensitive pad.
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@y..., "chitsman" <chitsman@s...>
> wrote:
> > > > Hello Everyone,
> > > > 
> > > > OK, I bought a Dual Trigger Acusnare off of
> ebay for a decent 
> > price, 
> > > > and I have plugged it into input 9/10 with a
> stereo cable and 
> > > > everything is working.
> > > > 
> > > > Can I get any recommendations for sounds to
> use for my new 
> setup. 
> > > All 
> > > > of the stock sounds are cymbals, cowbells,
> etc. I want some 
> > killer 
> > > > snare and rim combinations that I can quickly
> set up to get 
> > started 
> > > > and become familiar with what type of sounds I
> should be looking 
> > > for.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe I should go to the Guitar center and sit
> down on a V-Drum 
> > kit 
> > > > to see what they have programed???
> > > > 
> > > > Any advice and help would be greatly
> appreciated, and who knows 
> > we 
> > > > may inspire some other users to become more
> creative also.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Cary
> 
> 


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