Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Anyone want to put in their two cents on the 
advantages/comparisons/differences in pedal construction, namely the 
use of single or double chain, or straps.  Looking at the Iron 
Cobras, but haven't played in a great while.  I think the ones that 
I did play back then were attached by cow (or dinosaur) hide...

Thanks... Steve

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "SKWatson" <skwatson@b...> wrote:
> Anyone want to put in their two cents on the 
> advantages/comparisons/differences in pedal construction, namely 
the 
> use of single or double chain, or straps.  Looking at the Iron 
> Cobras, but haven't played in a great while.  I think the ones that 
> I did play back then were attached by cow (or dinosaur) hide...

Steve,

Here's definitely 2 cents worth, certainly no more. I go back to the 
leather strap era, almost exclusively Camco's. I still remember how 
those things felt; I liked to keep mine on a loose leash to swing 
freely. Since then I've used single chains, and not particularly 
elaborate ones. I've briefly played the Iron Cobra and the Axis. 
Though I was mightily impressed with their construction and feel, I 
never felt that they made my playing any better. To my mind, pedals 
have a bit of the Catch-22 about them. You really have to use them 
for a while to see whether you like them, but that's not always 
possible. I often find, however, that the more I use any pedal, the 
more I tend to find it satisfactory (unless it's really a piece of 
junk); oldtimers seem to be like that. But build quality is an 
important consideration, to be balanced with how much money you're 
willing to spend for it, as well as the ability to tweak. A few 
pedals have such minute adjustments that I can't imagine one of them 
not working for everybody, heel up or heel down. But that's just me--
definitely not the fussy sort with pedals. Check out Drumzillaslair 
for some articulate and detailed comments about this subject: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/drumzillaslair/
These people have a lot of collective information about equipment. 
Ask Zilla to let you join and check his archives under kick pedals in 
general or specfic ones like Axis or Iron Cobra. Last week, I think, 
they hit on the subject again.

Ed

--- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> --- "SKWatson" wrote:
> > Anyone want to put in their two cents on the 
> > advantages/comparisons/differences in pedal construction...

> Here's definitely 2 cents worth, certainly no more...

I'll see your 2 cents, and raise you a penny.

When I last drummed, I *think* it was a nylon strap, single pedal - 
but I was so young and ignorant I didn't care. I can't remember the 
brand. What's more I had no say in it as it wasn't my kit. When I got 
back into it, I knew I wanted a double pedal but ... the choice ... 
and the *prices*! Top of the line gear would have set me back more 
than half what my DTXpressII cost - which just wasn't an option.

I decided that even a budget pedal would be able to outstrip my 
limited capabilities for quite some time, and that all I needed was 
solid construction (proper base plate, decent footplate, well screwed 
together) as ... how shall I put this ... I displace more water than 
I used to. I went for a budget pedal - a new Stagg PP1200 from an 
eBay merchant - and I'm more than happy with it. At such time that my 
feet are so damn fast that the pedals aren't good enough, I might 
upgrade. I anticipate I will be in a retirement home first.

I realise that not really caring about my kick pedals marks me as a 
drumming lightweight, but I don't really care. I'm having too much 
fun.

Stewart

> --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > --- "SKWatson" wrote:
> > > Anyone want to put in their two cents on the 
> > > advantages/comparisons/differences in pedal construction...
> 
> > Here's definitely 2 cents worth, certainly no more...
> 
> >I'll see your 2 cents, and raise you a penny.
> 
> I am saving my pennys for a fourth module and more pads.....Yeh.
> 
> Another point of view. As a youngster I only had the leather variety and a
> heavy foot, which meant constant replacement. Moved to metal strap, never
> really liked.
> 
> When I got my dtxpressII sets last year it came with free bass pedals,
> Yamaha single chain, so I decided to give them a try. I figured if I liked
> them I would keep them, if not, I would find something else.
> 
> They are pretty light weight, but the way I looked at it was, if they
> broke, it would be because I was using a heavy foot on them. Heavy foot
> and heavy hands don't seem to mix with the dtxpress kit. So to keep me
> from destroying the rubberpad on the KP65, I use a lighter touch with a
> lighter duty pedal. I think if I had a double chain heavy duty monster
> kick pedal and used the full force of my heavy foot from years gone by,
> that the KP65 would be on it's way to the graveyard by now.
> 
> OGD
 
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I have been using a "Ghost" pedal since the seventies. It still works great. 
Hard strap, clock spring action. I also picked up an Iron Cobra D.B pedal 
recently. Chain drive tension spring action. It seems to work ok but I am still 
coming up to speed with the left foot....perry