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Problems and decisions

Problems and decisions

2003-10-31 by brown8700

Last night at rehearsal my module did something odd. Midway through a 
song, I lost all my high-end (cymbals, hi-hat snare crack). At first 
I thought it was my amp. I ran ran our keyboard through the amp (same 
channel) and all was fine. Ok, must be the module. So, I pulled out 
my other module and hooked it up. Nope, it sounded like crap, too, 
but not as bad. Must be the amp.
Played around with knobs, different channels, different cables. Still 
sounded like crap.
I have no idea what the problem is; maybe interference from a solar 
flare?

Anyway, so we could continue rehearsal, I pulled out the TAMA 
Starclassics. The guys in the band had never seen or heard them.
Guess what? They want me to continue to play the acoustics becuase 
the dynamics are so much better; and I have to agree.

I've got some thinking to do.........

Stephen
www.angelfire.com/ky/boomerbrown 
Link to my acoustic set photo

Re: Problems and decisions

2003-11-01 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Anyway, so we could continue rehearsal, I pulled out the TAMA 
> Starclassics. The guys in the band had never seen or heard them.
> Guess what? They want me to continue to play the acoustics becuase 
> the dynamics are so much better; and I have to agree.

Stephen,

By now, you must have figured out what was wrong with the amp 
(crossover, soldering, loose wire, tweeter damage?). The fact that 
you all agreed about the dynamics must mean that the difference was 
obvious, and it's not really surprising, since the DTXpress can only 
manage a discrete number of steps from softest to loudest (especially 
with the Pintech meshes connected), compared to the infinitely 
variable range of an acoustic kit. But there are other factors to 
consider. First of all, a larger kit makes a larger psychological 
impact. A lot of people, performers as well as audience members, 
react skeptically about the often compact look of an e-kit, 
especially in a musical setting that's supposed to be BIG, like rock. 
It's easier to identify with traditional drums. Rock, however, is the 
least likely style to suffer from a loss of dynamic range. (Maybe if 
the other members hadn't seen the Tamas, they wouldn't have "noticed" 
the difference in sound.) That's not to say that dynamic range is 
totally absent in rock music--far from it--only that much of the 
playing does not depend on it. Another consideration is that an 
acoustic kit requires much more effort, expense, and finesse to come 
across well live--multiple and appropriate mikes, presumably a lot of 
inputs on the mixer, etc. The extent to which a live acoustic kit's 
amplification/mixing/processing is compromised is the extent to which 
it loses some of its advantage. All things considered, and 
notwithstandng the obvious tradeoffs--in the studio as well as live--
an e-kit offers more sonic and logistical versatility, as well more 
ease of setup. Moreover, as good as the DTXpress is, it is not the 
last word in electronic drumming; other modules and pads can 
approximate the acoustic experience with more finesse, affecting the 
balance even further. 

I'm just taking the opportunity to muse a little on the matter. 
Obviously, you'll ultimately do what's best for you and your band. 
But the band members won't always have the drummer's best interests 
in mind--musical or otherwise--and what seems right from a certain 
perspective, or in a certain context, won't necessarily be right in 
every conceivable situation. It's not an open and shut case, and it 
might not even require a single answer. But it is an interesting one 
that raises a lot more questions than might meet eye on first glance.

Ed

Re: Problems and decisions

2003-11-03 by brown8700

Ed:
Discovered last night that the problem appears to be the tweeter in 
the amp. Still not certain as to what the outcome will be. Wifey-Poo 
loves the e-kit; band members love the a-kit. Stephen loves bits and 
pieces of both (but a combined kit is not in the offing).

I have rehearsal tomorrow evening and will use the a-kit and take it 
from there.

Stephen



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> > Anyway, so we could continue rehearsal, I pulled out the TAMA 
> > Starclassics. The guys in the band had never seen or heard them.
> > Guess what? They want me to continue to play the acoustics 
becuase 
> > the dynamics are so much better; and I have to agree.
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> By now, you must have figured out what was wrong with the amp 
> (crossover, soldering, loose wire, tweeter damage?). The fact that 
> you all agreed about the dynamics must mean that the difference was 
> obvious, and it's not really surprising, since the DTXpress can 
only 
> manage a discrete number of steps from softest to loudest 
(especially 
> with the Pintech meshes connected), compared to the infinitely 
> variable range of an acoustic kit. But there are other factors to 
> consider. First of all, a larger kit makes a larger psychological 
> impact. A lot of people, performers as well as audience members, 
> react skeptically about the often compact look of an e-kit, 
> especially in a musical setting that's supposed to be BIG, like 
rock. 
> It's easier to identify with traditional drums. Rock, however, is 
the 
> least likely style to suffer from a loss of dynamic range. (Maybe 
if 
> the other members hadn't seen the Tamas, they wouldn't 
have "noticed" 
> the difference in sound.) That's not to say that dynamic range is 
> totally absent in rock music--far from it--only that much of the 
> playing does not depend on it. Another consideration is that an 
> acoustic kit requires much more effort, expense, and finesse to 
come 
> across well live--multiple and appropriate mikes, presumably a lot 
of 
> inputs on the mixer, etc. The extent to which a live acoustic kit's 
> amplification/mixing/processing is compromised is the extent to 
which 
> it loses some of its advantage. All things considered, and 
> notwithstandng the obvious tradeoffs--in the studio as well as live-
-
> an e-kit offers more sonic and logistical versatility, as well more 
> ease of setup. Moreover, as good as the DTXpress is, it is not the 
> last word in electronic drumming; other modules and pads can 
> approximate the acoustic experience with more finesse, affecting 
the 
> balance even further. 
> 
> I'm just taking the opportunity to muse a little on the matter. 
> Obviously, you'll ultimately do what's best for you and your band. 
> But the band members won't always have the drummer's best interests 
> in mind--musical or otherwise--and what seems right from a certain 
> perspective, or in a certain context, won't necessarily be right in 
> every conceivable situation. It's not an open and shut case, and it 
> might not even require a single answer. But it is an interesting 
one 
> that raises a lot more questions than might meet eye on first 
glance.
> 
> Ed

Re: Problems and decisions

2003-11-03 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Wifey-Poo 
> loves the e-kit.

Boomer,

And we love the e-kit, too. Nuff said. Just kidding. Please keep us 
informed of the whys and wherefores. 

Ed

Re: Problems and decisions

2003-11-03 by brown8700

Ed:
Actually, Wifey-Poo loves the e-kit from both aspects; playing and 
listening.
Boomer F/K/A/ Stephen

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