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Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-02 by zapaxe

I own the DTXpress I and was wondering if the new line in addition 
to the so called new & improved samples (especially for the cymbals) 
also includes higher sample rates.

I record my set on Cubase at 24 bit with 32 bit floating point. 
Compared to some other samples I've heard from people using software 
drum samples, the DTXpress samples don't measure up in quality.

I'm considering upgrading to at least the DTXpress III 'Special' 
set. I've also been eye-balling the new DTXtremeIIS for the extra 
outputs and sampling capability.

Thanks, Steve

RE: [DTXpress] Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-02 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

There is a new PDF brochure on the Yamaha site about the Dtxpress III and
Dtxtreme IIS.
 
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/Drums/DTXIIS_DTXIII_Bro_0204.pdf
<http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/Drums/DTXIIS_DTXIII_Bro_0204.pdf>

 
 
OGD



 
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Re: Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-02 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> I own the DTXpress I and was wondering if the new line in addition 
> to the so called new & improved samples (especially for the 
cymbals) 
> also includes higher sample rates.
> 
> I record my set on Cubase at 24 bit with 32 bit floating point. 
> Compared to some other samples I've heard from people using 
software 
> drum samples, the DTXpress samples don't measure up in quality.
> 
> I'm considering upgrading to at least the DTXpress III 'Special' 
> set. I've also been eye-balling the new DTXtremeIIS for the extra 
> outputs and sampling capability.

By and large, no module out there can compete for sound with software 
samplers. The only one that rivals them in my experience is the ddrum 
(I have yet to hear the TD-20 or DTXTUIIS), and even its sounds are 
compressed in such a way that truncation and distortion are often in 
evidence. What modules have going for them first and foremost is 
convenience. When the manufacturers get more creative with sticking 
nuances and raise the bit and sampling numbers, maybe the situation 
will change.

Re: Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-03 by zapaxe

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> There is a new PDF brochure on the Yamaha site about the Dtxpress 
III and
> Dtxtreme IIS.
>  
> 
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/Drums/DTXIIS_DTXIII_Bro_020
4.pdf
> 
<http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/Drums/DTXIIS_DTXIII_Bro_02
04.pdf>
> 
>  
>  
> OGD
>  
Great, thanks very much! Steve
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-03 by zapaxe

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> 
wrote:
> > I own the DTXpress I and was wondering if the new line in 
addition 
> > to the so called new & improved samples (especially for the 
> cymbals) 
> > also includes higher sample rates.
> > 
> > I record my set on Cubase at 24 bit with 32 bit floating point. 
> > Compared to some other samples I've heard from people using 
> software 
> > drum samples, the DTXpress samples don't measure up in quality.
> > 
> > I'm considering upgrading to at least the DTXpress III 'Special' 
> > set. I've also been eye-balling the new DTXtremeIIS for the 
extra 
> > outputs and sampling capability.
> 
> By and large, no module out there can compete for sound with 
software 
> samplers. The only one that rivals them in my experience is the 
ddrum 
> (I have yet to hear the TD-20 or DTXTUIIS), and even its sounds 
are 
> compressed in such a way that truncation and distortion are often 
in 
> evidence. What modules have going for them first and foremost is 
> convenience. When the manufacturers get more creative with 
sticking 
> nuances and raise the bit and sampling numbers, maybe the 
situation 
> will change.

---------------------------------------------

Very interesting, thanks for the heads up! You'd think that e-drum 
manufacturers would make their brains with a little more control. 
Say like adding sounds from these software samplers.
Which brings to mind...The DTXtremeIIS is supposed to be able to 
have sampling capabilities...this DOES mean I could load some great 
software samples yes?

Steve

Re: Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-03 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> Very interesting, thanks for the heads up! You'd think that e-drum 
> manufacturers would make their brains with a little more control. 
> Say like adding sounds from these software samplers.
> Which brings to mind...The DTXtremeIIS is supposed to be able to 
> have sampling capabilities...this DOES mean I could load some great 
> software samples yes?

Steve,

The manufacturers still treat drum modules as poor relations to MIDI 
keyboards, which are far more advanced in features and capability. 
Some of this is due to the fact that drums aren't as inherently 
mathematical as keyboards and require the development of special 
touch nuances, and some is due to the fact that e-drums are nowhere 
near as economically profitable as synths. It's a bit like the 
chicken and the egg: Drum modules won't be immensely popular among 
drummers until the features are better, and the companies won't 
invest in making them better until drummers start using them in 
bigger numbers. Companies also seem to deliberately withhold module 
features (for example, bit and sample rates) in order to make sure 
that something "new" is always available for release without 
exhausting the inventory of possibility. Even Yamaha has mysteriously 
said that it wants to monitor sales of its new modules before it 
offers a truly professional grade one. 

That said, things are improving. Roland has just raised the bar a 
little more, and Yamaha's impending DTXTIIS has some characteristics 
that e-drummers should welcome (ddrum, though not one of the big 
boys, is a simple, elegant, and realistic alternative that surpasses 
them in many areas). As you say, the onboard sampling ability is one 
of the things that many people want, as well as an easy way to store 
and download.

Ed

Re: Do the new DTXpress III's have an improved sample rate?

2004-04-03 by zapaxe

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> 
wrote:
> > Very interesting, thanks for the heads up! You'd think that e-
drum 
> > manufacturers would make their brains with a little more 
control. 
> > Say like adding sounds from these software samplers.
> > Which brings to mind...The DTXtremeIIS is supposed to be able to 
> > have sampling capabilities...this DOES mean I could load some 
great 
> > software samples yes?
> 
> Steve,
> 
> The manufacturers still treat drum modules as poor relations to 
MIDI 
> keyboards, which are far more advanced in features and capability. 
> Some of this is due to the fact that drums aren't as inherently 
> mathematical as keyboards and require the development of special 
> touch nuances, and some is due to the fact that e-drums are 
nowhere 
> near as economically profitable as synths. It's a bit like the 
> chicken and the egg: Drum modules won't be immensely popular among 
> drummers until the features are better, and the companies won't 
> invest in making them better until drummers start using them in 
> bigger numbers. Companies also seem to deliberately withhold 
module 
> features (for example, bit and sample rates) in order to make sure 
> that something "new" is always available for release without 
> exhausting the inventory of possibility. Even Yamaha has 
mysteriously 
> said that it wants to monitor sales of its new modules before it 
> offers a truly professional grade one. 
> 
> That said, things are improving. Roland has just raised the bar a 
> little more, and Yamaha's impending DTXTIIS has some 
characteristics 
> that e-drummers should welcome (ddrum, though not one of the big 
> boys, is a simple, elegant, and realistic alternative that 
surpasses 
> them in many areas). As you say, the onboard sampling ability is 
one 
> of the things that many people want, as well as an easy way to 
store 
> and download.
> 
> Ed

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Hi and thanks Ed,

I looked at the specs on the newer DTXpress III and the DTXtremeIIS 
and there is no mention of the quality of the samples in terms of 
Bit & sample rate. However in the sampling cababilities section they 
did say something about bringing in 44 KHz (monoural)into the brain 
from outside samples. Bits? Hmmm...And does that mean the samples 
within the brain are at 44KHz?
The fact that they do not make this perfectly clear is a heads-up to 
what you say!

I guess it's an unfortunate reality manufactureres are hold the bit 
& sample rates back to ensure that they can make future sales as I'm 
sure that it can't be too hard to up the bit & sample rates in their 
drum brains. But in the world of digital recording & computer DAWS 
the bar has been raised in this area and just about all audio card 
manufacturers are making the capabilities up to 24/32 bit & 
44/48/88/96 KHz sample rates.
Staying at 16 bit is just plain silly. There's been many argumants 
over this, but it seems that what has won the debate is that every 
single thing you do within your recording DAW will degrade the audio 
signal from volume changes, applying FX'x, etc...By the time it gets 
dithered to CD the sound has been noticeably degraded.
Of course one can keep it within midi till mix-down.
Someone told me about this, but I don't yet know how but I've also 
considered the possibility of using/recording with the DTXpress to 
midi, putting it in something like Battery and using a drum sample 
CD. Inconvenient me thinks!

Steve

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