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My love/ hate relationship

My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by slushycow

Hi again all,

I've been playing live for nearly a year with my DtxpressI kit. I'm 
having mixed feelings lately and need some advice.
1) Everytime I play my kit we get many compliments on our sound 
balance. Since most of the clubs in Tokyo are small, it's really 
important not to blow everyone away.
Now, almost always after that compliment, people say "Man! you gotta 
play real drums. Those things are just not cool." Of course they 
don't understand that my drums are one of the main reasons we sound 
as good as we do. It kills me.
Plus, I love the easy set up and break down. 
2) As far as the set itself. I find my self adjusting it before and 
during each song. I've had the snare pad fall off many times. I've 
replaced the pad and the "arm", but it still slips and falls.

So these days I'm thinking of converting an acoustic kit. My idea is 
to put mesh heads with triggers all the way around. This way, I can 
keep the balance,get a better look, and not worry about things 
falling off. It's just going to be a problem lugging those things 
through the streets of Tokyo. I wish I had an alternative solution.

If anyone has any advice, It I could really use some.

Thanks in advance,

Jonathan in Japan

Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by Rob

I would resolve the snare pad issue and keep your setup as easy as it 
is, You will regret getting better looks and same sound when you are 
lugging that stuff around Tokyo, I lived there for 3 years. Wear a 
huge afro wig and a lime green polyester suit, they won't even notice 
your drums, and at the end of the night you can still pick up your 
whole kit and walk out the door.
Rob DTXpress II

Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by moosetication

--- Jonathan in Japan wrote:
> So these days I'm thinking of converting an acoustic kit.
> My idea is to put mesh heads with triggers...

I would be loathe to toss away the portability benefits - I have just 
bought a Stage Custom acoustic set which is a thing of beauty 
but "portable" is never a word I will use in the same sentence.

(I would also be tempted to quote Richard Feynman's wife: "why do YOU 
care what other people think?")

I think there are some easier options to consider first.

1. On clamp slippage, if you're still using the composite clamps and 
tom holders, consider replacing them with metal universal clamps 
(such as Gibraltar SCGPRMC) and Yamaha's "acoustic" tom holders which 
have the same fitting - as they supplied with the DTXtreme. You can 
also swap out the clamps for assembling the rack with Gibraltar 
equivalents.

2. Keep your eyes open for some nicer mesh pads. People are still 
selling the older maple DTXtreme pads (there's a set going on eBay UK 
right now - item 3721247405). They would be perfectly compatible, 
look cool, and would be easier to transport than full-size shells. Or 
you could go with Pintech ConcertCasts.

3. If you're itching to convert, try a "half small shell" approach - 
don't use the full shell set, but buy a set of two 10" tom shells and 
cut them in half - this would give you a snare and three toms, they 
could be lacquered any way you please, and would look pretty decent.

4. Yamaha's pie cymbals are, arguably, the uncoolest visual part of 
the kit. Consider swapping them for the new, round Yamaha cymbals.

Stewart

Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "slushycow" <slushycow@y...> wrote:
> Hi again all,
> 
> I've been playing live for nearly a year with my DtxpressI kit. I'm 
> having mixed feelings lately and need some advice.
> 1) Everytime I play my kit we get many compliments on our sound 
> balance. Since most of the clubs in Tokyo are small, it's really 
> important not to blow everyone away.
> Now, almost always after that compliment, people say "Man! you 
gotta 
> play real drums. Those things are just not cool." Of course they 
> don't understand that my drums are one of the main reasons we sound 
> as good as we do. It kills me.
> Plus, I love the easy set up and break down. 

Hi Jonathan,

You already got great response from the board, but I just have to add 
that this is a common complaint. People have viewed "different" as 
wrong for a long time. Some e-drummers seem to work through it; after 
all, nothing is weird forever. Sometimes emphasizing the novelty, 
instead of trying to downplay or justify it, can turn perceptions in 
its favor. Run a string of Christmas lights across the rack or 
something. Or hang a scrim from the front of the rack to the floor 
with the name of the band and, maybe, "Yamaha electronic drums" in 
small letters at the bottom. It would server two purposes--(1) to 
announce proudly your choice of percussion and (2) to create the same 
kind of filled space that an acoustic kick drum provides. I bet that 
the emptiness beneath the toms is behind a lot of the negative 
comments.

> 2) As far as the set itself. I find my self adjusting it before and 
> during each song. I've had the snare pad fall off many times. I've 
> replaced the pad and the "arm", but it still slips and falls.

Follow Stewart's advice, or possibly convert to a snare on a separate 
stand (though this tactic may present other problems).
 
> So these days I'm thinking of converting an acoustic kit. My idea 
is 
> to put mesh heads with triggers all the way around. This way, I can 
> keep the balance,get a better look, and not worry about things 
> falling off. It's just going to be a problem lugging those things 
> through the streets of Tokyo. I wish I had an alternative solution.

If Stewart's suggestion about conversion is too labor-intensive, and 
you have a little money, you might look into the Pearl Rhythm 
Traveller kit, which is already halfway toward conversion. Another 
almost ready-made solution might be the acoustic Arbiter Flats kit, 
which is almost as portable as the DTXpress. I've never seen one in 
person, but it looks ripe for conversion. I have to say, though, the 
idea of adapting the current e-kit to meet your various needs makes 
the most sense to me.

Ed

Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by supernovanexus

Hey Jonathan,

This may have already been said, maybe not, I didn't look cause I'm 
short on time. Anyways, since its the DTXpress I, the rack is smoth 
pipe, if I'm not mistaken. I just purchased a DTXpress III that has 
the new silver finish rack, which also has grooves which will take 
that slipping away. The rack looks very nice when shined up, 
especially with the red bar in the middle. Anyways, I think that 
would take care of you "look" problems and you "slip" problem. I'll 
post more later...maybe if it hasn't been comvered by then. G2G!

-Zack-

Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by slushycow

Thanks,

I'd really like to say thanks to everyone that posted. I got some 
great ideas. 

I have already switched out the main clamps on the rack with 
Girbralter clamps. It worked really well. I'd like to try it with my 
snare clamp, but I couldn't find the right part yet.

I like the idea of using smaller shells with mesh pads. That way I 
could add some character and color to the set. I've had my eye on 
these really cool orange satin flame tom wraps.

I agree that it's mostly the space beneath the toms that gets the 
response. I'm thinking of some kind of mini base drum. I guess it 
would just require a trigger.

I've been playing the new round Yamaha cymbals since they came out 
and I love them. Highly reccommended.

Ok, once again the board comes through. It's really great! Thank you. 
Once I get my kit together, I'll post a pic.

Thanks again everyone,

Jon in Japan

RE: [DTXpress] Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by nicholas.gunn@btconnect.com

Try looking on DIYDrums on yahoo, This is something like what you want.
Gunny
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Subject: [DTXpress] Re: My love/ hate relationship

Thanks,

I'd really like to say thanks to everyone that posted. I got some
great ideas.

I have already switched out the main clamps on the rack with
Girbralter clamps. It worked really well. I'd like to try it with my
snare clamp, but I couldn't find the right part yet.

I like the idea of using smaller shells with mesh pads. That way I
could add some character and color to the set. I've had my eye on
these really cool orange satin flame tom wraps.

I agree that it's mostly the space beneath the toms that gets the
response. I'm thinking of some kind of mini base drum. I guess it
would just require a trigger.

I've been playing the new round Yamaha cymbals since they came out
and I love them. Highly reccommended.

Ok, once again the board comes through. It's really great! Thank you.
Once I get my kit together, I'll post a pic.

Thanks again everyone,

Jon in Japan



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Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-05 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus"
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> Hey Jonathan,
> 
> This may have already been said, maybe not, I didn't look cause I'm 
> short on time. Anyways, since its the DTXpress I, the rack is smoth 
> pipe, if I'm not mistaken. I just purchased a DTXpress III that has 
> the new silver finish rack, which also has grooves which will take 
> that slipping away. The rack looks very nice when shined up, 
> especially with the red bar in the middle. Anyways, I think that 
> would take care of you "look" problems and you "slip" problem. I'll 
> post more later...maybe if it hasn't been comvered by then. G2G!
> 
> -Zack-

Depends where the slip is.  I have the DTXpress III and have to
tighten the clamp which holds the snare really tight to stop it
rotating when I hit the rim (not the clamp to the rack, the other one).

Keith.

Re: My love/ hate relationship

2004-05-06 by slushycow

> do the new yamaha round cymbals come through louder?  Jerry

Jerry,

I have really gotten good results from the new pads. Compared to my 
old ones, the difference is huge. First of all, the sensitivity is 
much greater. You don't really hear the pad anymore. Also the feel 
is nicer. The cymbals are all made out of rubber and quite heavy. I 
could say the only problem I see so far, is that you can only 
trigger the cymbal from half of the pad. The back side won't 
trigger. But it's not a problem because it comes with the stopper 
that fits onto the stand.

Hope this helps,

Jon in Japan

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