Digital BW, The Print

Paul,
 
So UT14-K and Eboni MK are the same ink even though the label on the bottle is 
"UT14-4-K". I can live with that. I need to order more matte black & want to 
ensure that I get the right stuff. So let me ask this question to rest my weary 
mind, if K4+ & Eb4+ uses Eboni MK, PK (UT14-C), Eb6-M, Eb6-LM, would this be the 
same as mixing an inkset based on Eboni MK (100%, 18%, 6%, 2%) and using UT14-C? 
Or is there a significant difference between 18% Eboni MK and Eb6-M?
 
After 2 weeks of profiling a 1400-K4 setup using UT4-K/Eboni matteK (100%, 18%, 
6%, & 2%) with 6% UT14-C on Epson Premium Matte (EPPM), I realized I was using 
more LLC to achieve a controlled neutral print than the other inks. This had a 
dramtic impact on the dmax and I finally released the 80% to achieve the desired 
maximum black denisty. Of course I should have tested other papers but 
researched a bit more and changed out the 18% MK ink.
 
I decided to replace the 18% MK in the Cyan position with 100% UT14-C. If I 
understand correctly, I need the 100% Cyan to help control the upper mid tones 
and black to achieve a neutral tone. From what I read both the Eb4+ & K4+ 
inksets use 100% PK in the Cyan position. Bringing me to question if there is a 
significant difference between diluted Eboni MK and Eb6-Magenta.Would it be 
worthwhile to buy a 4 ounce bottle of Eb6-Magenta to compare with 18% MK and 
UT14-M?
 
I see the Workforce 1100 is a very flexible and cost worthy 4 ink printer 
capable of handling everything from Ez-N b&w approach to vari-tone to a 
dedicated quadtone printer. How does it compare to using the 2200 with a K4/Eb4 
inkset? My very young thought is to question the ability to control the warm 
tones. The four carbon core inkset creates a warm tone. The larger dot patterns 
of the 1100 like the 2200 creates a warmer tone then the 1400. So how difficult 
will it be to achieve a neutral tone if all 4 inks are carbon core without the 
C/LC inks to help control it?
Regardless of what the White House thinks, you're the best!
Phil
 


 



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From: Paul <roark.paul@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 12:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 1100 & Eboni-4

  
Phillip Kimble <grimmieoldfart@...> wrote:
>

> Is there a difference between the MIS Eboni ink and 
> UTR14 ink- black or Eboni-K 
> vs UT14-K in specific?

All MIS matte blacks in the inksets we usually talk about are Eboni MK -- the 
same ink.

The midtones in UT14 are not based on Eboni. They are glossy compatible and very 
warm. Ut14 needed to be glossy compatible and was designed as a variable tone 
inkset. So, it uses quite a bit of color ink blended into the cool C-LC channel 
(Actually a blend of MIS cyan, R800 blue and K4-PK & LK).

The midtones in the Eboni-4 or 6 inksets are based on Eboni and more neutral 
than would be possible with the glossy compatible inks. So, either by itself or 
when used in a blend, the Eboni matte only carbon core is what I favor for fine 
art printing. 


I have my 1400 set up with what I call Eboni-4 Plus. The Eboni-4 acts as the 
carbon core to whatever is put in the other two spots. I use the MIS UT14 C and 
LC as the default setup because it's commercially available. I use the Noritsu 
advanced dyes for my glossy cards, and I use HP inks as the toners if I want to 
print a more neutral matte paper image. The HP PK & Gray make for simple 
profiling (2 dimensional, not small gamut 3D like the UT 3D) and do fine for my 
glossy brochures.


(For the 1400 Eb-4, use the Eb-6 1400 inks minus the C and LC.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> 
> ________________________________
> From: Paul <roark.paul@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 4:11:41 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] 1100 & Eboni-4
> 
> Â  
> MIS has loaded Eboni-4 (100%, 18%, 6%, & 2%) into carts for the Epson WorkForce 
>
> 1100. 
> 
> See http://www.inksupply.com/epson_workforce_1100_eb4.cfm
> 
> I have a brief PDF on this setup at 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1100-Eb4.pdf
> 
> To see how smoothly this can print, see 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1100-Eb4-EpsHP-scan.jpg
> 
> With it's slightly larger dots, the 1100 prints slightly more neutrally than 
>the 
>
> 1400 on some papers, like Premier Art Smooth BW. 
> 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Paul,
 
Thank for the explain

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