On 07/08/2011 Lew Schwartz wrote: > From what I've been able to read on the net, this may be due to > aliasing & > not the actual grain in the film (It's much worse than I'd see in a > traditional, gs print.). Contrary to what I've read, however, it is > not a > matter of threshold iso/grain size issues, rather it's a continuum, > getting > progressively worse as iso/grain increases. It may not be readily > noticeable > at lower iso's, but close inspection reveals it to be there. > I think I was the first to describe grain aliasing, in response to a query posed by Polaroid regarding a customer inquiry, on the filmscanners list filmscanners@... (I still operate this, but it's pretty much silent these days). The Photoscientia.com description of it grew out of this initial discussion. Grain aliasing depends on many factors. Grain in any given emulsion is not a single size, but a wide range of sizes, affected by the dev used, its solvent action, exposure, emulsion thickness etc. Rodinal, which produces ferociously sharp grain and local adjacency effects, is much more likely to be problematic than a high-solvent-action fine grain dev like Microdol X. The LED lightsource used by Nikon is particularly susceptible as it is partly collimated light which sharply renders grain topology onto the sensor. B&W silver films are worst, colour materials have replaced the silver grains with dye clouds which tend to have a softer edge. Still if any material contains some grains sized near the Nyquist limit, aliasing is inevitable. The earlier 2700ppi Nikon scanners were worse, they aliased most materials of ISO100 or over, expecially in areas of medium exposure, like blue sky. The result was often like blue sandpaper. You aren't likely to be able to improve the Nikon's behaviour with the problem material by much. With some Nikon scanners it is possible to manually defocus the image just a little, which can help - but they already tend to have problems with narrow depth of focus and film flatness. The lens being wide aperture to cope with the fact that Nikon LED's are not very bright means you could end up with just a blurry mess, or patches of aliased and unaliased grain. It's hard to see how a diffuser could be introduced into the optical path except perhaps sandwiched with the film with spacers - though attentuating the already dim illumination could cause underexposure. You best bet would probably be to try a different scanner with a diffuse lightsource. I use a Polaroid 4000 and an Epson V700. I've only had grain aliasing from the Polaroid when trying to scan ISO3200 Delta and TMZ B&W, and not at all from the Epson, probably because I've only used it for MF slow emulsions. Best materials for scanning without these issues are the chromagenic C41-based B&W materials, Tri Max CN and Ilford XP2. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk
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Re: [Digital BW] Grain/aliasing, CoolScan 5000 and VueScan
2011-08-08 by Tony Sleep
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