On 08/07/2011 05:54 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: > If I understand the problem of aliasing correctly, it results from a > phenomenon similar to the one encountered in the darkroom with diffuser vs > condenser light sources on the enlarger and, if this is the case, a diffuser > may well be the answer. Since the 5000 has an auto frame advance mechanism > to deal with, however, I don't think this would be very easy. The enlarger light sources differ on the Callier effect in the film emulsion which is a kind of diffraction on the spaces between the film grain. There might be something of that Callier effect happening in the Nikon scanner too but it is likely more complex. There is little oversampling done in the Nikon scanner, the sampling rate comes close to the delivered resolution. In flatbed models like the Epson V700 the sampling rate is much higher than the actual resolution the scanner can deliver (based on the sensor well sizes, well pitch). Several sensors are shifted half the pitch width in both directions. More samples made with bigger sensor well sizes average the readings and noise is reduced that way. Do not expect the resolution to be equal to the sampling rate. That oversampling has an analogy to the use of a wider aperture in drum scanning for grain reduction. In practice I can not avoid aliased grain on my Nikon 8000. Nevertheless I do not go the route to reduce grain by making the light more diffuse or with a small focus shift. Software like Neat Image can do a good job in suppressing aliased grain if I can define the aliased grain as good as possible over the frame size. Wet mounting of the film is one step, tweaking the film holders to get exact focus on all spots the next step. I checked using only the green or blue LEDs for the B&W scan. Vuescan's analogue gain sliders allow that: the channel used at 2x, the other two taken out, RAW histogram to check whether there is enough exposure. DNG export. Further processing in ARC and Photoshop + Neat Image. The blue light shifts the grain aliasing a bit on the tone range compared to green light but is not noisier in my experience. In theory the shorter wavelength blue light should show less diffraction between the grain particles if the grain aliasing is partly caused by the Callier effect. So far I used ARC's noise reduction very modest to remove noise from the positive highlights (actually then still the dense part of the digital negative) and in Photoshop Neat Image to reduce it in the positive shadows. Still not sure about sharpening, I think Photoshop's smart lens sharpening does it better and I should not use ARC's tools for it. ARC is typically more made for digital imagers while Photoshop still is a mix of tools suitable for both. All in all I can reduce noise and keep detail better than with the methods before. In contrast with selecting one channel from a normally full RGB LED lighted scan the focusing in the scanner is also done with the single LED color so optimal for that light. I also think that it should reduce flare in the optical path and more optical artefacts that an RGB lightsource could create in the channel that is selected from a normal B&W scan. This method has some analogy to the use of single band/UV rich enlarger light in large format B&W photography. The neon A4+ cold light that I had made for graphic arts films must be on the attic somewhere but I did not forget the principles. Of course I checked what kind of 9" CCFL tubes are available with a blue light to make a B&W flatbed. There are some with a spectral peak around 457 NM, most likely right in the middle of the blue sensor sensitivity. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
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Re: [Digital BW] Grain/aliasing, CoolScan 5000 and VueScan
2011-08-09 by Ernst Dinkla
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