Sorry for some ignorance.... what's ARC? On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...>wrote: > ** > > > On 08/07/2011 05:54 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: > > If I understand the problem of aliasing correctly, it results from a > > phenomenon similar to the one encountered in the darkroom with diffuser > vs > > condenser light sources on the enlarger and, if this is the case, a > diffuser > > may well be the answer. Since the 5000 has an auto frame advance > mechanism > > to deal with, however, I don't think this would be very easy. > > The enlarger light sources differ on the Callier effect in the film > emulsion which is a kind of diffraction on the spaces between the film > grain. There might be something of that Callier effect happening in the > Nikon scanner too but it is likely more complex. There is little > oversampling done in the Nikon scanner, the sampling rate comes close to > the delivered resolution. In flatbed models like the Epson V700 the > sampling rate is much higher than the actual resolution the scanner can > deliver (based on the sensor well sizes, well pitch). Several sensors > are shifted half the pitch width in both directions. More samples made > with bigger sensor well sizes average the readings and noise is reduced > that way. Do not expect the resolution to be equal to the sampling > rate. That oversampling has an analogy to the use of a wider aperture in > drum scanning for grain reduction. > > In practice I can not avoid aliased grain on my Nikon 8000. Nevertheless > I do not go the route to reduce grain by making the light more diffuse > or with a small focus shift. Software like Neat Image can do a good job > in suppressing aliased grain if I can define the aliased grain as good > as possible over the frame size. Wet mounting of the film is one step, > tweaking the film holders to get exact focus on all spots the next step. > I checked using only the green or blue LEDs for the B&W scan. Vuescan's > analogue gain sliders allow that: the channel used at 2x, the other two > taken out, RAW histogram to check whether there is enough exposure. DNG > export. Further processing in ARC and Photoshop + Neat Image. > The blue light shifts the grain aliasing a bit on the tone range > compared to green light but is not noisier in my experience. In theory > the shorter wavelength blue light should show less diffraction between > the grain particles if the grain aliasing is partly caused by the > Callier effect. So far I used ARC's noise reduction very modest to > remove noise from the positive highlights (actually then still the dense > part of the digital negative) and in Photoshop Neat Image to reduce it > in the positive shadows. Still not sure about sharpening, I think > Photoshop's smart lens sharpening does it better and I should not use > ARC's tools for it. ARC is typically more made for digital imagers while > Photoshop still is a mix of tools suitable for both. All in all I can > reduce noise and keep detail better than with the methods before. > > In contrast with selecting one channel from a normally full RGB LED > lighted scan the focusing in the scanner is also done with the single > LED color so optimal for that light. I also think that it should reduce > flare in the optical path and more optical artefacts that an RGB > lightsource could create in the channel that is selected from a normal > B&W scan. This method has some analogy to the use of single band/UV rich > enlarger light in large format B&W photography. The neon A4+ cold light > that I had made for graphic arts films must be on the attic somewhere > but I did not forget the principles. Of course I checked what kind of 9" > CCFL tubes are available with a blue light to make a B&W flatbed. There > are some with a spectral peak around 457 NM, most likely right in the > middle of the blue sensor sensitivity. > > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Grain/aliasing, CoolScan 5000 and VueScan
2011-08-09 by Lew Schwartz
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