On 02/29/2012 11:42 PM, Paul wrote: > Test prints using very good inks from Jon Cone and HP had some bad > Conservation Display Ratings in the Arrdenburg-Imaging > (http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com) fade tests that had nothing to do > with the pigments -- carbon sepia and Vivera. But the OBA burnout > triggered the end point on the Conservation Display Rating even thought > the pigments were not fading. That is, the images' overall appearance > had changed noticeably -- not good. The poor papers that did this were > Alise BW and HP Pro Satin. See http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com for the > test reports. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Paul, there are possibly ten or more there that tested bad on paper white shifts while the inks did better. The HP Pro Satin is an RC paper tested badly but for example Canon Heavyweight Satin, also an RC paper, tested far better at Aardenburg. The quality of the OBA must play a role and where they are located in the paper. For example in an RC paper in the paper base itself between the polyethylene barriers the gas fading of OBAs could be reduced. Ten days ago I went through Aardenburg test results again to check paper white shifts and mentioned some observations on the Wide_Inkjet_Printers list. Here I repeat them: The use of protective coatings, Hahnemuhle, Premier, does wonders to reduce paper white shifts of OBA papers next to the protection of the inks. Check some tests at Aardenburg where the same paper is used with and without. My view is that gas like oxygen-ozone is blocked by the sprayed varnish. The printer applied gloss enhancers worry me a bit, it looks like the paper white shift is increased with gloss enhancers, MIS glop the most. Fiber/Baryta papers more than RC papers. Check two tests of Ilford Gold Fibre Silk with and without Glop. The test samples you mentioned should be seen in that light too. If Glop is in the inks too as an ink medium I wonder whether it influences MIS ink test results as well when applied on OBA papers that show paper white shifts more with Glop. I have some guesses what could be the reason for the paper white shift with gloss enhancer: * the gloss enhancer itself changes color * the gloss enhancer affects the OBAs. In literature I see glycol, glycerol and PVA mentioned as additions to OBA dyes for different reasons, one of them to increase the fluorescent effect. I wonder at what cost. The three are normal ingredients in ink medium. * the gloss enhancer changes the coating structure so gas fading of the OBA dyes can happen faster. I have to dig deeper in Aardenburg results, maybe something can be deducted there. More tests to separate possible causes are needed. BTW, the Canson Infinity Baryta Photographique that is in many ways a clone of the IGFS shows more paper white shift than IGFS. Could be a different surface that is more permeable or a different OBA used. I go for the first cause. It was noticed before that the surface looked slightly different. Remains the fact that OBA content of whatever kind influences the color management and restricts the display conditions of prints if "metamerism" has to be avoided. For B&W too. It is still a sound advice to avoid the high OBA content papers and go for papers with good, normal whitening agents like Baryte and TiO2. Just enough OBA to neutralise or brighten the last type of papers a bit is then a wise compromise. -- met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Shareware too: 330+ paper white spectral plots: http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
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Re: [Digital BW] Optical Brightening Agents - OBAs
2012-03-01 by Ernst Dinkla
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