Digital BW, The Print

Sam,
	Thank you very much for those clear answers Sam. Of course I am afraid, as
is often the case, answers often prompt further questions. You stated you
cannot use the Roark's curves from within Photoshop Elements but you do
mention that you once printed b&w by mistake without curving the image, I
take it this implies that Photoshop does allow you to put some kind of curve
on the image even if it doesn't allow the application of Roark's curves
(Incidently I can not say that without thinking of it in terms of an old
physics or Mathematical law).

	Incidently I think I must be using the newer pigment based inks in my
printer because I am getting pronounced metamerism on my black and whites
and this seems to be a problem brought in to a much greater degree with the
pigment based inks (well that is just guesswork, they may not be pigment
based at all but just a newer ink solution as used in the 2000P which is
being famously criticised for it's colour casting). Whatever if anyone has
any views on that then I would be much obliged. I am using the 5 colour T008
cartridges as used in the 890 ( I am saying that as my model is an 895 which
doesn't seem to exist in the States).

	I will invest in photoshop asap and look to a couple of books on the
subject and leave you guys in peace until I have learned enough to
contribute usefully to the debate.

Thanks again.

Patrick.


Patrick Brosnan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sam A. McCandless [mailto:samcc@...]
Sent: 14 March 2002 15:05
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Yahoo Patrick Brosnan
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Colour Casting - MIS inks and Photoshop Pro
theonly soloution ?


>  So Group,
>      Let me get this straight. Are you saying I can get round this problem
>by using different paper with just black? Please bear in my I am at present
>using a printer of a much lower spec than the 2000P using the T008 5 colour
>and T007 black cartridges found in the 890 printer (So presumably the same
>performance as those printers). My experiments so far with black only have
>been with matte finished cards from Epson.

If that's what Epson calls here in the States "Matte
Paper-Heavyweight" (S041257, at least for a box of 50 8.5" x 11"
sheets), then that's what I'd suggest for starters with dye-based
inks, at least when Epson's glossy Photo Paper wasn't preferred. But
my experience is limited to Epson's older printers, the 900 and the
1160, and Epson's dye-based inks for them.


>Would you recommend getting to grips with photoshop for getting
>better control of output.?

Yes, but often in the context of the relatively inexpensive (<U$100)
Photoshop Elements software.


>What sort of quality could I expect from just printing straight from
>Picture It with MIS variable inks?

I've done it, at first by mistake and then out of curiosity, with the
MIS VM Sepia-Neutral inkset, from Photoshop but without curving the
file. I got a very nice step-test print which was intermediate as far
as warmth goes and too light for most purposes.


>The inksupply website seem to hint that you really needed Paul
>Roark's curves. Are these only useable from with in photoshop or am
>I missing something out.

As far as I know they are, and, what's worse, only from the more
expensive (U$600?) Photoshop, not from Elements, which I've h.


>Failing any decent answers to the above could anyone recommend a good
>entry point piece of documentation or book which could lead me into this
>technology with a human understanding?

I think the best single book is Blatner and Fraser's "Real World
Photoshop" despite and because of its wider context, but there is
also Jim Rich's "The Photoshop Grayscale Book".

Sam McCandless           samcc@...


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